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Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by mschild »

qtzfz wrote: post #27
mabedan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re missing the point of the article. The banner is only needed if your business relies on handing over info about the user to 3rd party. And yes, it’s reasonable to make sure user knows about it. The fact that these pop ups are annoying is the fault of the creator, not the regulation. Try accessing Apple.com or iCloud.com. No cookie pop up, yet one of the most successful businesses in history. You don’t have to b…

What info? My IP address and the pages I've visited inside their site? By visiting a site I know I'm giving that info to them, they can do whatever they want with it.

That's great if youre fine with it. I'm not. I don't want some shitty, 3rd rate, ad slinging company to know what websites I visited.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

olivierduval wrote: post #11

Actually it's a bit more complex (but not much) than what is described: 1st party may need user consent when they will use personal datas for something that is not the intended service (legitimate use). For example, for a shopping cart: cookies are necessary for the service, so no problem. For fraud detection : no problem because it's a legitimate use. But if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your user…

> if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your users are viewing (statistics collection), then... you need the user consent

What about if you're Amazon and you want to show 'people who bought this also bought this' content? Then the tracking is necessary.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by veltas »

>Tech bros love to whine about "The EU cookie policy" that simply doesn't exist the way they imagine it. All these popups are the most radical way to interpret the explicit consent demanded by regulations when sending data to a 3rd party. An ongoing provocation by the ad/tracker industry to blame their ruthless data hoarding on the EU.

The official EU website has one of these annoying pop-ups. Are they part of the provocation? https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by illiarian »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #25
no_time wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We've got to come up with a better solution. I've got an easy one for you: stop embedding google analytics and others. You don't need a cookie banner when you only have operational ones or better yet, none at all.

Are you sure that out-of-the-box GA requires it? I thought the only info it recorded was anonymised.

GA collects insane amounts of data. And you might have to disable a lot of that collection manually https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/9019185?hl=en#zi...

And even then it might not be strictly compliant due to Schrems II ruling

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by datkirby »

senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

People are definitely aware of them. The trouble lies with how easy opting-out is. Many websites have included options to just opt for the "compulsory" option. The only concern now is how many of them would willingly provide that option.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by illiarian »

qtzfz wrote: post #32
illiarian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Businesses: want to track users and collect their data with reckless abandon Businesses: implement rampant dark patterns to trick people into accepting tracking and data collection Businesses: flood the internet with inane, obnoxious and blatantly illegal cookie dialogs ... 4ad: I blame the EU (Hint: show me where GDPR says anything about cookies)

Most internet businesses need tracking to survive, so it's more like either you click past a cookie banner or you don't get to see the content at all.

> Most internet businesses need tracking to survive

Of course they don't.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by Guid_NewGuid »

No one likes these consent modals, not the EU, not the companies, not the end users.

But they're good.

They're making the negative externality visible. We had developed an ecosystem where as soon as you clicked on a webpage it would spaff your personal data to third party brokers and infest you with tracking across the entire internet. All driven by marketing and sales departments. All driven by a capitalist free market.

The regulations changed nothing other than to make people annoyed by this. Good. Take that anger and direct it against the god damn companies building this stuff, many of the employees of which are on this site. Stop whining about the EU, they're just holding up a mirror to the abject horror of tech.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by boffinism »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #25
no_time wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We've got to come up with a better solution. I've got an easy one for you: stop embedding google analytics and others. You don't need a cookie banner when you only have operational ones or better yet, none at all.

Are you sure that out-of-the-box GA requires it? I thought the only info it recorded was anonymised.

Don't confuse cookie laws with data laws

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by ssss11 »

senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

Of course the simple solution that we all know is to not collect the damn data in the first place. But marketing boffins the world over will never willingly do this unless it’s enforced by law, so we’re left with the user’s taking on the burden of clicking deliberately confusing stuff and not knowing whether they’ve ended up consenting or not.
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