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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

876978095789789 wrote: post #64
flangola7 wrote: post #53

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We learned why you don't give anti-Semites the benefit of the doubt many decades ago. "It's just a joke" up until it isn't, and by then it's far too late. The NZ mosque shooter's manifesto was almost literally one long 4chan meme thread. There were pages and pages of images and charts and memes that were (and still are) posted to 4chan every day. He openly stated he wasn't always racist and that /pol/ significantly c…

> images and charts and memes that were (and still are) posted to 4chan every day Look, if people posting charts and memes you find distasteful bothers you this much, you frankly don't belong on the internet. And you can post the opposite perspective on 4chan, without censorship: you can be pro-Communist, anti-Ukraine, pro-CCP, whatever. And if I wanted to, I could probably play the same game as you and mine the Nash…

> if people posting charts and memes you find distasteful bothers you this much, you frankly don't belong on the internet

You're missing the point.

It's not that it's merely "distasteful". I would put shock content like Goatse, 2girls1cup, Mr Hands, and Tubgirl into that bucket.

It's that racist content is actively harmful and encourages others to be actively harmful.

There's no victim when someone posts a video of two girls eating each other's shit, but spreading racist hatred encourages and emboldens racists which then results in hate crimes.

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Post by vuln »

wussboy wrote: post #321
at_a_remove wrote: post #259

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You should rest easy tonight, knowing that nobody has any plans to make you go there.

If only its toxic effects didn't spill over into the real world, corroding hard-won civilized society.

Right without 4chan “spilling over into the “”real”” world” we’d have a utopia with zero hate.

/s

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

pcwalton wrote: post #5
mannyv wrote: post #2

The NYT characterizes 4chan as a far-right message board, which is ridiculous. I mean, if giving the finger to pretty much everything is considered far-right, then what's considered far-left? Fundamentalism?

The board specifically set aside for politics on 4chan is probably the most popular neo-Nazi discussion forum on the internet. "Far-right" is a completely fair description of the political leanings of that site.

I thought Stormfront was the big website for them? /pol/ is a bunch of nutters but it's not well organized. Arguably there's more visible White Nationalism on Twitter.

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Post by at_a_remove »

wussboy wrote: post #321
at_a_remove wrote: post #259

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You should rest easy tonight, knowing that nobody has any plans to make you go there.

If only its toxic effects didn't spill over into the real world, corroding hard-won civilized society.

If your civilization can be toppled by some weeaboos on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, maybe it wasn't that great to begin with.

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Post by seizethegdgap »

kajaktum wrote: post #248
seizethegdgap wrote: post #192

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It's the Nazi Bar problem. https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089253502461952...

This is literally slippery slop fallacy? . Are we dropping that one from the rulebook?

Sometimes slopes are slippery.

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Post by luckylion »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #327
luckylion wrote: post #320

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> Communism doesn't inherently include brutal totalitarian autocrats? It's a "smoking causes cancer" situation. Just because other things also cause cancer doesn't mean that smoking doesn't. Read up on the history, look at each communist country, see what they become. Smoking causes cancer. There's just still a bunch of communists who deny it because it's uncomfortable. Just like Neo-Nazis are denying the holocaust.…

Fair enough, I can agree that communism has a bad track record. Though if I were to go back to my original point there's certainly an inherent violence in white nationalism that is unacceptable and being tolerant of this is paradoxical. There are countries that while not communist, successfully enact a blend of socialism and capitalism without any significant violence. I don't think white nationalism has any sort of…

> Though if I were to go back to my original point there's certainly an inherent violence in white nationalism that is unacceptable and being tolerant of this is paradoxical.

I don't think it does any more than any other form of nationalism does. Are the Baltic countries violent in your eyes? Their nationalism necessarily is hard to distinguish from ethnic nationalism, because they're very homogeneous. All they'd need to do to be white nationalists is to declare so openly. They're a pretty peaceful bunch, unless you invade them (like the Soviets found out in the Winter War).

Communism on the other hand, is necessarily violent, it cannot function without violently suppressing those who do not believe in it, and it will, always and without fail, go on an eradication trip to do so.

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Post by kelipso »

lisasays wrote: post #329
kelipso wrote: post #250

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When 50% of the population likes that radio station, then yeah it means you want to live in a bubble.

So if 50 percent of the town I live in watches Fox News, and I don't -- I'm living in a bubble?

If Fox News is different enough from the news you watch, then yes, obviously.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

luckylion wrote: post #336
micromacrofoot wrote: post #327

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Fair enough, I can agree that communism has a bad track record. Though if I were to go back to my original point there's certainly an inherent violence in white nationalism that is unacceptable and being tolerant of this is paradoxical. There are countries that while not communist, successfully enact a blend of socialism and capitalism without any significant violence. I don't think white nationalism has any sort of…

> Though if I were to go back to my original point there's certainly an inherent violence in white nationalism that is unacceptable and being tolerant of this is paradoxical. I don't think it does any more than any other form of nationalism does. Are the Baltic countries violent in your eyes? Their nationalism necessarily is hard to distinguish from ethnic nationalism, because they're very homogeneous. All they'd nee…

I think there's a notable difference though, the baltic states may be ethnic nationalists... but they're established nations. And sure, while they could claim to be white nationalists... they do not seem to want to make that association.

White nationalism universally seeks to carve out its own space at the expense of others. It's impossible to engage with the ideology without associating with violence.

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Post by croes »

luckylion wrote: post #304
croes wrote: post #141

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The communist body count is largely based on incapacity that led to famine. The white nationalist made genocide an efficient industrial process. Just look how little time they needed to nearly eradicate the Jews.

Holodomor wasn't an accident, neither where the killing fields. Please stop spreading communist propaganda.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Holodomor

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Post by anigbrowl »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #252
vulcan01 wrote: post #212

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This comment is written in bad faith - generally on HN we try to take what people say at face value. They said they research far-right extremism professionally. The good-faith interpretation is that they do this as part of their job, as that is what "professionally" means.

I'm skeptical that any such job exists.

Lots of people work in this space. How do you expect anyone to write or teach about such a topic without performing research? Keeping an eye on 4chan/pol/ is the least interesting part of my work, because while it's the largest community of its type it functions mainly as an amplifier/dumping ground rather than a source of much original content. /g/ is a much more enjoyable community to participate in.
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