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Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Many people confuse "free speech is a good" with "free speech is the highest good". > truly free speech environment Sounds awful.

You should rest easy tonight, knowing that nobody has any plans to make you go there.

If only its toxic effects didn't spill over into the real world, corroding hard-won civilized society.

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> These are all flavors of communism, but Naziism was a particularly German flavor of fascism, so I think the comparison is appropriate. So you hit it right there. Neither fascism nor communism necessarily include mass murder. Naziism does.

I would argue that fascism and communism inevitably lead to mass murder because they tend towards totalitarianism and the use of terror. This comes with the caveat that the terror need not necessarily target an ethnic minority.

This is getting away from the original point. If you associate with a nazi then yes I believe you are guilty by association. There is no coexisting with a belief that doesn't believe you have the right to exist in the first place. If you believe that communism is in the same lane then feel free to throw them in the bin as well.

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"Dale Beran - Lecturer/ Animation Coordinator , Screenwriting and Animation" Researcher, perhaps, but seems to not be what his credentials or college role is about. https://www.morgan.edu/screenwriting-and-animation/faculty-a...

Whether it's valid or not, authoring a book on a particular subject usually qualifies someone as an expert on a subject. Especially if it is on an esoteric and modern subject like online socializing.

It's been years now that AI can write books. Writing a book nowadays doesn't mean anything. "Doing your own research" is laughed at now, but this is actually used to be the job of journalists to do that. That doesn't mean not using experts to help understand complex subjects. But what journos like the NYT is fishing experts and using them as a "proof" is simply arguing from a conclusion.

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I would argue that fascism and communism inevitably lead to mass murder because they tend towards totalitarianism and the use of terror. This comes with the caveat that the terror need not necessarily target an ethnic minority.

This is getting away from the original point. If you associate with a nazi then yes I believe you are guilty by association. There is no coexisting with a belief that doesn't believe you have the right to exist in the first place. If you believe that communism is in the same lane then feel free to throw them in the bin as well.

My whole point is that historically they are in the same bin, and doubly so for any Leninists and Maoists.

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Notwithstanding the New York Times calling 4chan far-right and blatantly editorializing (seriously, if this is a news piece, why is there commentary about Discord's moderation policy?), I am most interested in whether the leaks are true. Has the White House been grossly over-representing Ukraine's chances? Will Ukraine be unable to protect their airspace after late May?

During the invasion Crimea Obama refused to send military support because it would just help create a long war of attrition, which Russia has more than enough the ressource to sustain, with the same outcome.

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Is that not due to the specific regime regardless of the political ideology? Communism doesn't inherently include brutal totalitarian autocrats? we've certainly seen them under other systems as well.

> Communism doesn't inherently include brutal totalitarian autocrats? It's a "smoking causes cancer" situation. Just because other things also cause cancer doesn't mean that smoking doesn't. Read up on the history, look at each communist country, see what they become. Smoking causes cancer. There's just still a bunch of communists who deny it because it's uncomfortable. Just like Neo-Nazis are denying the holocaust.…

Fair enough, I can agree that communism has a bad track record. Though if I were to go back to my original point there's certainly an inherent violence in white nationalism that is unacceptable and being tolerant of this is paradoxical.

There are countries that while not communist, successfully enact a blend of socialism and capitalism without any significant violence. I don't think white nationalism has any sort of validly applicable aspects that can be stretched to that effect.

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What, you prefer a bubble? False dichotomy. Just because I don't like the same radio station you like - doesn't mean I want to live in a bubble, and only listen to my own music.

When 50% of the population likes that radio station, then yeah it means you want to live in a bubble.

So if 50 percent of the town I live in watches Fox News, and I don't -- I'm living in a bubble?

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Most of these race/iq threads end up concluding that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent racial groups, not exactly the poster children of white nationalism.

That doesn't mean shit. These conclusions nowadays on 4chan are usually used to affirm their belief of an extremely racist "Goldilocks" theory. - East Asians and Jews are intelligent but lack creative thought and individualism (the terms hivemind and "bugmen" will often pop up here). - I don't need to explain what they think about Black People. - But White People are juuuuuust right

there is also the narrative that these tests are designed by secret groups (ran by whom you ask?) to have such stack ranking to keep white people down and not realizing their true potential. i don't know how anyone sees racial IQ discussion and not realize it is always going to devolve into nazis.
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