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Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by justrealist »

arrakeen wrote: post #220
gruez wrote: post #210

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>Even /sci/ has changed. You have race IQ intelligence threads all the time compared to 2011. Instead of the daily Putnam problem thread, you get that garbage. Is race IQ intelligence discussion really "garbage"? To my knowledge there isn't strong evidence confirming or disproving the theory, but the science on the genetic component of intelligence is pretty solid, and it isn't implausible that certain ethnic groups…

regardless of whether or not you think the topic is a worthy intellectual pursuit (i do not), the frequency at which it is discussed implies a racist agenda

Most of these race/iq threads end up concluding that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent racial groups, not exactly the poster children of white nationalism.

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Post by Kamq »

jjulius wrote: post #221
Kamq wrote: post #206

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> decades 4chan hasn't... Oh god, 4chan has been around for almost 20 years. I'm getting old...

Yeah, I even went and double checked just to make sure. "That feels right, but it can't be-... ah fuck."

Well, it was a cesspool back then, I guess it's good to hear it's still a cesspool now.

The more things change, I suppose.

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Post by lisasays »

generalizations wrote: post #239
lisasays wrote: post #222

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Take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. And this is ... a good thing?

What, you prefer a bubble? Things were far better before the opposing viewpoints walled themselves off and refused to communicate with the people who disagreed with them. Isn't the political divide one of the big problems in (US) society these days?

What, you prefer a bubble?

False dichotomy.

Just because I don't like the same radio station you like - doesn't mean I want to live in a bubble, and only listen to my own music.

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Post by latency-guy2 »

jjeaff wrote: post #203
sbuttgereit wrote: post #118

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"Dale Beran - Lecturer/ Animation Coordinator , Screenwriting and Animation" Researcher, perhaps, but seems to not be what his credentials or college role is about. https://www.morgan.edu/screenwriting-and-animation/faculty-a...

Whether it's valid or not, authoring a book on a particular subject usually qualifies someone as an expert on a subject. Especially if it is on an esoteric and modern subject like online socializing.

I know of someone who published a book on Golang in 2010. The rating of that book is sitting in the 3s out of 5 stars last I checked 6 years ago. Is he an expert at Go? Not in my most humblest opinion, is the content of the book good? Also a no in my honest, must charitable view. How far did he get with showing people how to program with Go? About as far as you'd get in 2 hours on the golang docs even considering a very poorly skilled college student doing the exercises. There's maybe 170 pages in the book. I'm almost certain the book has not reached even 200 sales at the highest.

Is he really considered an expert to you, solely because of the publishing of a book? Here it is by the way: https://www.amazon.com/Go-Programming-John-P-Baugh/dp/145363...

I know that's not necessarily your view, but this is the standard we are working with

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Post by WatchDog »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218
WatchDog wrote: post #179

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I think it's far-right representation has certainly grown over time, probably largely as a function of right-wing speech being pushed out of other platforms. However 4chan has always had, and continues to have quite broad demographics, it attracts extremes, by nature of it's low moderation and permissive content policies. Some examples of left wing associated content could be it's very active LGBT user base. It's inv…

LGBT is not inherently left wing. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

I’m well aware of the limitations with the left-right political abstraction. Every individual issue has varying levels of support among traditional political groupings, but I think it’s fair to say that issue of advancing the interests of LGBT people, is overwhelmingly an issue associated with a left wing political disposition.

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Post by ctvo »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #122
ctvo wrote: post #106

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> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

I really doubt there’s any academic rigor behind that tbh

The original claim was the NYT abuses anonymous sources without citing anyone. The NYT, in the only occurrence of "researchers say" in the article, literally quote a person who's written a book on the subject on the next line.

We can move the goal post and now debate the person's credentials, but we can do that because we know their name.

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Post by baryphonic »

Notwithstanding the New York Times calling 4chan far-right and blatantly editorializing (seriously, if this is a news piece, why is there commentary about Discord's moderation policy?), I am most interested in whether the leaks are true.

Has the White House been grossly over-representing Ukraine's chances? Will Ukraine be unable to protect their airspace after late May?

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Post by kajaktum »

seizethegdgap wrote: post #192
dmonitor wrote: post #165

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It’s interesting that the website is considered far-right simply because it doesn’t ban far-right posters. The website isn’t explicitly for right-wingers, but by allowing them to post on the website that’s what it’s become.

It's the Nazi Bar problem. https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089253502461952...

This is literally slippery slop fallacy? . Are we dropping that one from the rulebook?

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Post by carom »

lisasays wrote: post #230
carom wrote: post #153

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Negatory captain, I did not.

You didn't say it outright. But your words definitely contained a strong degree of innuendo that two groups were, in terms of potential for being intrinsically repulsive to others -- basically equivalent.

I disagree. The only equivalence drawn is that there are people who try to tell me how I should feel about each of those groups.

I do not feel that way though.

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Post by kelipso »

lisasays wrote: post #243
generalizations wrote: post #239

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What, you prefer a bubble? Things were far better before the opposing viewpoints walled themselves off and refused to communicate with the people who disagreed with them. Isn't the political divide one of the big problems in (US) society these days?

What, you prefer a bubble? False dichotomy. Just because I don't like the same radio station you like - doesn't mean I want to live in a bubble, and only listen to my own music.

When 50% of the population likes that radio station, then yeah it means you want to live in a bubble.
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