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Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by sudosysgen » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:06 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #194

sudosysgen wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More specifically, it allows far righters to post against its rules, but enforces them against other groups. It's hardly surprising then.

> More specifically, it allows far righters to post against its rules, but enforces them against other groups. Source of this happening systemically? I ask systemically because for any forum there's accusations (and corresponding anecdotes) of censorship from both sides, so a few posts don't really prove anything. You see this on twitter for instance, with accusations that both the left and the right are being unfair…

1. Read the sitewide 4chan rules.

2. Look at /pol/.

3. Break another of the rules. (ie not the racism rule).

4. see your post get deleted.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by gruez » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:08 AM UTC

Amezarak wrote: post #138

anthk wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unprobable speculation? Ever heard of the final solution? FFS...

I would strongly recommend reading The Third Reich trilogy by Richard J. Evans. Most people have a rather propagandistic view of the war and this series is easily accessible for the layman and does a really good job at laying out what happened and when and why.

Can you provide a summary for people who don't want to read 3 books?

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by jjeaff » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:08 AM UTC

sbuttgereit wrote: post #118

ctvo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

"Dale Beran - Lecturer/ Animation Coordinator , Screenwriting and Animation" Researcher, perhaps, but seems to not be what his credentials or college role is about. https://www.morgan.edu/screenwriting-and-animation/faculty-a...

Whether it's valid or not, authoring a book on a particular subject usually qualifies someone as an expert on a subject. Especially if it is on an esoteric and modern subject like online socializing.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by bastawhiz » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:08 AM UTC

Minor49er wrote: post #150

guardiangod wrote: post #131

I am sad that Discord has replaced IRC as the chatroom of the internet's subculture.

IRC lacks widespread support for things like roles, reactions, avatars, threads, showing chat history from before someone enters a channel, search history, and having video and voice chat without piggybacking on top of DCC. There also aren't sync issues within Discord that cause things like netsplits which are somewhat common on IRC I know some newer versions of the IRC spec try to address at least some of these, but…

Technology improved, people got Features and Devices, they wanted to use their Features and Devices, and they switched to the service that gave them their Features on their Devices. There's no mystery.

The average person doesn't care about federation or an open protocol or whatever. They probably don't even understand those things and they don't want to understand them. They just want to chat with their friends and send emojis and not get upset that things don't work. IRC, by all accounts, fails to do—out of the box—all of those things (well).

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by bakugo » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:13 AM UTC

colpabar wrote: post #76

notjulianjaynes wrote: post #29

>"Losers. That’s who the U.S. government really has to fear.” The New York Times has published, by my count, 15 articles on this leak in the past 7 days.

Could you explain what you’re implying because I don’t get it

I think the implication here is that, if you write 15 articles in 1 week about people you claim are "losers", maybe you're the loser.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by Kamq » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:13 AM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #45

danjoredd wrote: post #42

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The rules not being enforced really is 4chan's worst problems, and where everything else terrible on that site stems. On /g/, the tech board, you will see nothing but flame wars and troll posts for/against various operating systems and programming languages. Its basically nonstop trolling DESPITE being one of the more serious boards. Worse, a lot of the "jannies"(unpaid tattletales) are in on the trolling and activel…

>... which has led the site to be the gutter it is now. ... now? It's felt like a cesspool for decades.

> decades

4chan hasn't...

Oh god, 4chan has been around for almost 20 years. I'm getting old...

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by misssocrates » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:14 AM UTC

RoyGBivCap wrote: post #190

ctvo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

> “It Came from Something Awful: How a Toxic Troll Army Accidentally Memed Donald Trump into Office.” CNN and reddit arguably did more than 4chan to get trump elected. They couldn't shut up about him and they have way more reach than 4chan.

The news media gave him $2 billion in free media coverage during his first campaign alone. Does 4chan come anywhere close to that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_2016_Uni...

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:15 AM UTC

ch4s3 wrote: post #174

Entinel wrote: post #43

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I know about the ethnic cleanings. Communism as an ideology does not endorse eugenics through mass murdering people. Nazism as an ideology does.

On the contrary, Leninism mandates terror and ethnic minorities are always among the first targets of terror and repression. Stalinism was synonymous with Russian chauvinism, and saw other ethnic groups as inherently counter revolutionary. Chinese communism is also an ideology of Han supremacy. These are all flavors of communism, but Naziism was a particularly German flavor of fascism, so I think the comparison is ap…

> These are all flavors of communism, but Naziism was a particularly German flavor of fascism, so I think the comparison is appropriate.

So you hit it right there.

Neither fascism nor communism necessarily include mass murder.

Naziism does.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by jjeaff » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:16 AM UTC

de_nied wrote: post #168

v0idzer0 wrote: post #98

NYT gets so much mileage out of “researchers say” and “experts say” yet they never cite anyone

"sources familiar with the situation"

So that phrase actually means something when you are dealing with real journalistic news organizations like NPR or NYT for example. I believe at the NYT, everything of consequence must be double sourced. And in the case of confidential sources, the reporter must reveal the source to their editor so that there is another set of eyes confirming validity. So it's not quite as nebulous and useless as some make it out to be.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by gruez » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 2:16 AM UTC

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #21

mannyv wrote: post #2

The NYT characterizes 4chan as a far-right message board, which is ridiculous. I mean, if giving the finger to pretty much everything is considered far-right, then what's considered far-left? Fundamentalism?

/b/, /vg/, /v/, /pol/ and sometimes /g/ all have strong alt right representation. (actually /g/ is still much more libertarian but you get some bleed in here and there). Even /sci/ has changed. You have race IQ intelligence threads all the time compared to 2011. Instead of the daily Putnam problem thread, you get that garbage. NYT is pretty on the money here. If this were 2010, I'd disagree with them, but not nowaday…

>Even /sci/ has changed. You have race IQ intelligence threads all the time compared to 2011. Instead of the daily Putnam problem thread, you get that garbage.

Is race IQ intelligence discussion really "garbage"? To my knowledge there isn't strong evidence confirming or disproving the theory, but the science on the genetic component of intelligence is pretty solid, and it isn't implausible that certain ethnic groups have genes that confer more intelligence, similar to how certain ethnic groups have genes that make them taller or better runners (see for instance, the olympic winners for sprints).