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Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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>... which has led the site to be the gutter it is now. ... now? It's felt like a cesspool for decades.

> decades 4chan hasn't... Oh god, 4chan has been around for almost 20 years. I'm getting old...

Yeah, I even went and double checked just to make sure. "That feels right, but it can't be-... ah fuck."

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There are people of all political persuasions on 4chan. You're free to go on there and deride any white nationalists you see. No one will ban you.

Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

Take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation.

And this is ... a good thing?

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It’s interesting that the website is considered far-right simply because it doesn’t ban far-right posters. The website isn’t explicitly for right-wingers, but by allowing them to post on the website that’s what it’s become.

It's the Nazi Bar problem. https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089253502461952...

You are linking to a website that now allows far-right posters, not sure if Nazis are included. Did it become a Nazi bar? I don't think so.

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I was joking- I think it's just HN being really good at jumping down the wrong rabbit holes and bike-shedding ad nauseam, while completely missing the point of an OP.

>Is Discord PR active in this thread? ... >I was joking This might be a good opportunity to read up again on Poe's law[0]. It pretty much always applies when one tries to make jokes like this on the web. Sarcasm and irony only work as intended when talking with people who know you personally or with people who assume they know your viewpoints. If people don't have reason to believe they know your viewpoint, they hear…

Poe's law is hot garbage though. If someone misses context because they're not privy to sarcasm, that isn't automatically the speaker's fault.

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Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

> Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Sure, they might, but it'd be ridiculous. Being a white nationalist is a choice someone makes (and continues to make every day) whereas being trans is not. Further, white nationalism is associated with bigoted actions (including speech) whereas trans is just someone's personal identity that doesn't really affect anyone else. The two aren't remotely comparable.

I don't agree with white nationalism but I don't believe it is a choice someone makes. For the most part, you can't choose to believe something or not. Sure, you can choose to not engage in the actions and speech characteristic of white nationalists, but so can trans people stay closeted.

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What is it that you feel like you gain from being exposed to white nationalism? Being unfazed by horrors isn't a virtue, having scarred your soul like this isn't something to be proud of. You should be uncomfortable talking to a nazi! You should be more than uncomfortable!

Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

No fucking way I am. Reading the above, it seems you lack awareness of how messed up and dangerous certain people out there are.

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> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

>If you’re a young man with no prospects "The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose." — James Baldwin.

if only they would read Baldwins work, but being an angry and lost online today seems to breed a hatred of someone who cared to talk about the lives of black gay men.

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1. Read the sitewide 4chan rules. 2. Look at /pol/. 3. Break another of the rules. (ie not the racism rule). 4. see your post get deleted.

How does this answer my original question? Are you just suggesting that because there is racism on /pol/, that it means that rules are being selectively enforced against non-"far righters"?

Yes. The far right is specifically being exempted from certain rules, while other rules are exempted. You can observe this because the far right is exempted from the rule that's meant to restrict them to /b/ and is instead allowed to roam free across the website (not just /pol/), while others aren't.

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>Even /sci/ has changed. You have race IQ intelligence threads all the time compared to 2011. Instead of the daily Putnam problem thread, you get that garbage. Is race IQ intelligence discussion really "garbage"? To my knowledge there isn't strong evidence confirming or disproving the theory, but the science on the genetic component of intelligence is pretty solid, and it isn't implausible that certain ethnic groups…

regardless of whether or not you think the topic is a worthy intellectual pursuit (i do not), the frequency at which it is discussed implies a racist agenda

And what's the frequency that doesn't imply "a racist agenda"? I went on skimmed all the OPs and found a few threads about intelligence/IQ, but couldn't find one with a racist bent.

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The person I replied to did.

Negatory captain, I did not.

You didn't say it outright. But your words definitely contained a strong degree of innuendo that two groups were, in terms of potential for being intrinsically repulsive to others -- basically equivalent.
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