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Post by zht »

carom wrote: post #55
giraffe_lady wrote: post #51

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What is it that you feel like you gain from being exposed to white nationalism? Being unfazed by horrors isn't a virtue, having scarred your soul like this isn't something to be proud of. You should be uncomfortable talking to a nazi! You should be more than uncomfortable!

Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

This feels all fine and good until those humans advocate for your extermination to other humans who are more prone to violence than them

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Post by somedude895 »

Akronymus wrote: post #291
Llamamoe wrote: post #282

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I feel like a lot of stuff fhsg "gods against left-wing beliefs" gets silenced primarily when it's a bad-faith argument in the first place, but yeah. I'd personally like more studies on e.g. factors associated with why some trans people on HRT get fatigue, and how to avoid it.

> I feel like a lot of stuff fhsg "gods against left-wing beliefs" gets silenced primarily when it's a bad-faith argument in the first place, but yeah. "How much of the recent rise in transgenderism can be attributed to people being more accepting vs how much is peer pressure" Such a study won't see the light of the day any time soon. Yet, I wouldn't classify it as bad faith, as kids/teens are VERY impressionable. (A…

That's a great example. Another one is the question, whether gender dysphoria results from mental illness, or the other way around. The orthodoxy will say that the discrimination that trans people face is the reason for the prevalence of mental illness among them. We won't find out anytime soon, since it's a belief that is held sacred among the very people studying the topic, and at the same time there's a push to treat children with hormones when they get funny ideas (see Tavistock Clinic scandal). Thinking back when I grew up and my sister kept crying saying she wanted to be a boy – mainly because she wanted to fit in with her three brothers – it's a terrifying thought what could have happened had she been born a decade later.

Social studies aren't out to find truth. They're out to confirm their beliefs, basically working to justify their own jobs.

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Post by account42 »

enlyth wrote: post #83
carom wrote: post #33

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There are people of all political persuasions on 4chan. You're free to go on there and deride any white nationalists you see. No one will ban you.

Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

> Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this.

It's not so much the voting that makes things lopsided but when posts are ordered or deemphasized based on those votes or if the actual moderators are opposed to free speech ideals. I can think of at least two low-moderation forums that do manage to host people of opposing opinions for the Ukraine war and other topics so it's not like 4chan is particularly unnique, just bigger and better known.

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Post by luckylion »

croes wrote: post #141
throw__away7391 wrote: post #77

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No, it is NOT ok to be a communist. Communists and white nationalists are morally equivalent, though communism to date has a much higher body count than white nationalism and their methods of execution and torture have on balance been more savage and more brutal.

The communist body count is largely based on incapacity that led to famine. The white nationalist made genocide an efficient industrial process. Just look how little time they needed to nearly eradicate the Jews.

Holodomor wasn't an accident, neither where the killing fields. Please stop spreading communist propaganda.

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Post by [deleted] »

croes wrote: post #141
throw__away7391 wrote: post #77

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No, it is NOT ok to be a communist. Communists and white nationalists are morally equivalent, though communism to date has a much higher body count than white nationalism and their methods of execution and torture have on balance been more savage and more brutal.

The communist body count is largely based on incapacity that led to famine. The white nationalist made genocide an efficient industrial process. Just look how little time they needed to nearly eradicate the Jews.

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Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by luckylion »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #173
throw__away7391 wrote: post #77

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No, it is NOT ok to be a communist. Communists and white nationalists are morally equivalent, though communism to date has a much higher body count than white nationalism and their methods of execution and torture have on balance been more savage and more brutal.

on that grounds it’s also not ok to be a capitalist… maybe I’m not familiar enough with communism but I didn’t think it inherently included genocide like white nationalism tends to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

A money quote for those who can't be bothered to read: Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population.

And people still want to be communists. Ideology is strange.

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Post by account42 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #59
carom wrote: post #55

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Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

You don't have the opportunity to change their mind that's an illusion that works in their favor: “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play.…

Discarding people rather than their views and arguments is what creates extremists. When you see people as members of a group rather than individuals then you push them towards the extremists of that group.

Edgelords that argue for sport exist of course but they too are people - and might not even believe in whatever ideologies they are meming.

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Post by bestcoder69 »

gruez wrote: post #197
bestcoder69 wrote: post #158

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Laughing to myself imagining the people believing you, thinking “hmm methinks I could use a little intellectual diversity in my bubble”, they click over to 4chan, take a big sip of coffee, and… actually look at it. lol e: I’ll concede you can find different opinions there. Just, I wanna see a video feed of an unsuspecting person actually trying to go there to, like, learn.

>e: I’ll concede you can find different opinions there. Just, I wanna see a video feed of an unsuspecting person actually trying to go there to, like, learn. Learning about opposing viewpoints doesn't count as learning?

Imagine I said whatever you wanted me to say to that and have fun with it, man. You deserve it.

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Post by dtn »

justrealist wrote: post #241
arrakeen wrote: post #220

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regardless of whether or not you think the topic is a worthy intellectual pursuit (i do not), the frequency at which it is discussed implies a racist agenda

Most of these race/iq threads end up concluding that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent racial groups, not exactly the poster children of white nationalism.

That doesn't mean shit. These conclusions nowadays on 4chan are usually used to affirm their belief of an extremely racist "Goldilocks" theory.

- East Asians and Jews are intelligent but lack creative thought and individualism (the terms hivemind and "bugmen" will often pop up here).

- I don't need to explain what they think about Black People.

- But White People are juuuuuust right

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