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Post by Akronymus »

Llamamoe wrote: post #282
somedude895 wrote: post #275

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> innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. It's beside the point, but does anybody actually see social studies and the like as "science" anymore when people in them get bullied and silenced and have their careers destroyed if they think or say the wrong thing? When things that go against left-wing beliefs don't get published? When an overwhelming majority of them are on the same politi…

I feel like a lot of stuff fhsg "gods against left-wing beliefs" gets silenced primarily when it's a bad-faith argument in the first place, but yeah. I'd personally like more studies on e.g. factors associated with why some trans people on HRT get fatigue, and how to avoid it.

> I feel like a lot of stuff fhsg "gods against left-wing beliefs" gets silenced primarily when it's a bad-faith argument in the first place, but yeah.

"How much of the recent rise in transgenderism can be attributed to people being more accepting vs how much is peer pressure"

Such a study won't see the light of the day any time soon. Yet, I wouldn't classify it as bad faith, as kids/teens are VERY impressionable. (And then there's the whole detrans thing)

Would you classify it as bad faith?

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Post by ben_w »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218
WatchDog wrote: post #179

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I think it's far-right representation has certainly grown over time, probably largely as a function of right-wing speech being pushed out of other platforms. However 4chan has always had, and continues to have quite broad demographics, it attracts extremes, by nature of it's low moderation and permissive content policies. Some examples of left wing associated content could be it's very active LGBT user base. It's inv…

LGBT is not inherently left wing. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

Given the context, besides the other responses you've been given, I would add pink triangles.

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Post by corbulo »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #158
enlyth wrote: post #83

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Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

Laughing to myself imagining the people believing you, thinking “hmm methinks I could use a little intellectual diversity in my bubble”, they click over to 4chan, take a big sip of coffee, and… actually look at it. lol e: I’ll concede you can find different opinions there. Just, I wanna see a video feed of an unsuspecting person actually trying to go there to, like, learn.

There's an adjustment period to understand each boards specific signal:noise. You can't just walk in and find Aristotle and Kant figuring shit out.

Each board has its ridiculous bullshit, groupthink, absurd extremists, edgelords, etc. once you know how to parse that you can quickly navigate to quality posts.

Each board of course has different signal:noise though, somewhere like /lit/ is probably 1:20 whereas /pol/ is probably 1:500-1/1000. But the quality posts are totally different from what you'll find anywhere else. Different users and audience.

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Post by corbulo »

gruez wrote: post #199
velox_neb wrote: post #128

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Surely at this point half the content on /pol/ is from professional propagandists and LLM-powered bots, trying to create the impression of a "4chan consensus" to sway anyone stupid enough to be taken in by that.

Why would professional propagandists care to influence a mongolian basket weaving forum? Even if they do succeed, their audience is going to be largely social outcasts with very little power or influence in society.

Respectfully, meme magic says otherwise

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Post by skissane »

beebmam wrote: post #237
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218

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LGBT is not inherently left wing. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

Anti-semitism also isn't inherently right wing. That doesn't mean the social phenomenon currently driving anti-semitism isn't right wing. The 4chan moderators are rarely enforcing the rules against racism, like anti-semitism, on the extreme boards, and sometimes they don't enforce those rules on non-extreme boards too. The anti-semitism on the extreme boards is rampant. It's pretty clear that the far-right is the cur…

> That doesn't mean the social phenomenon currently driving anti-semitism isn't right wing.

> It's pretty clear that the far-right is the current social phenomenon that is driving modern racism and anti-semitism, at least in the West.

That really depends on who you ask. There are many Jews who insist that left-wing antisemitism is a big problem-some will even argue it is as big a problem as (or even a bigger problem than) right-wing antisemitism. And it isn’t just right-wing Jews who speak of left-wing antisemitism as a big and growing problem - the ADL, which is very much a respected part of the American Jewish establishment, is saying the same thing - https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/09/06/adl-ceo-left-wing-anti...

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Post by skissane »

skissane wrote: post #272
TechBro8615 wrote: post #252

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I'm skeptical that any such job exists.

> I'm skeptical that any such job exists. The University of Oslo has a "Center for Research on Extremism" (CRE-X). https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/ While their name suggests they might be just as interested in the far-left as the far-right, if you look at their actual publications, they are almost entirely focused on the far-right, and even those rare occasions they do pay any attention to the far-left, it is gen…

> The University of Oslo has a "Center for Research on Extremism" (CRE-X)

> I cited CRE-X as an example only because they were at the top of my Google search results

C-REX, not CRE-X. And I didn’t just mangle their acronym once, I managed to do it twice

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

ctvo wrote: post #106
v0idzer0 wrote: post #98

NYT gets so much mileage out of “researchers say” and “experts say” yet they never cite anyone

> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

Well, if you are young and hopeless, they have no help or solutions for you, but at least a rubber stamp..

And then, when the hotpot they ve been steering for a generation boils over, its all clutching pearls and "how could this happen".

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

jjeaff wrote: post #203
sbuttgereit wrote: post #118

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"Dale Beran - Lecturer/ Animation Coordinator , Screenwriting and Animation" Researcher, perhaps, but seems to not be what his credentials or college role is about. https://www.morgan.edu/screenwriting-and-animation/faculty-a...

Whether it's valid or not, authoring a book on a particular subject usually qualifies someone as an expert on a subject. Especially if it is on an esoteric and modern subject like online socializing.

Chat GPT write me a book on the following topic. Instant expert, just add hot water.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #271
876978095789789 wrote: post #261

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> Humanity has never had to deal with global echo chambers where individuals who are mostly harmless on their own can come together and feed on their common rancor. Do you not realize that "echo chamber" describes this place, and any place with groupthink enforcement mechanisms (voting, karma, flagging, and excessive moderation) much more accurately than 4chan? For example, HN groupthink has endorsed low-carb and ket…

I must have missed the last time HNers convinced themselves to start a race war by murdering a bunch of people.

I think that fat and cholesterol have killed more people than any kind of race war in the last decade.
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