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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by bee_rider »

vineyardmike wrote: post #208
sine_break wrote: post #180

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US does not have such cards, that is why they have issues with voter verification. Most countries have free IDs for citizens.

Yes we do have government provided ID cards. Your driver’s license (or if you don’t drive there’s a non-driver version that’s just a card). There is no mandate to get one or carry it (except for driving). We have issues with voter registration because it’s been politicized. Poor people are disproportionately less likely to have ID cards (because it costs money, takes time, and most people get it to drive which is exp…

We have government issues ID cards, but we don’t have free government issued ID cards as far as I know, which is one of the problem with these voter ID laws.

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Post by grrdotcloud »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #205
fckgw wrote: post #196

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Do you get this indigent over every error message you see?

it’s almost like VPS hosting services have to be careful due to rampant fraud or something

There's a level of friction that is too much for some.

I'm attempting to soften that friction when I launch my PaaS

My concern over bots and misuse is a concern. I'm thinking of crippling the free service to allow full functionality but limiting it's use to really tiny files.

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Post by nine_k »

thatwasunusual wrote: post #189
detaro wrote: post #186

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Just because Hetzner has had processes that can involve ID checks if deemed necessary for a long time doesn't mean that they check ID for everyone.

I understand that. I'm trying to figure out why I'm - and several others - are "special."

A large statistical model, likely run by some third-party attestation service, said so. It's mostly used to refuse service where governments require that (say, no service for North Korea), or to people known to repeatedly do fraud, etc. But false positives occur; sometimes an inspection by a human helps (send an ID).

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Post by IceWreck »

daneel_w wrote: post #130
solarkraft wrote: post #51

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Oracle's free tier is cool. I've let my free instance expire and so far haven't noticed them doing anything weird with my credit card info. Also haven't been sued yet. But let's see.

If your tenancy is unpaid your "always free"-classed instances can be terminated without notice in order to provide capacity for a paid tenancy when necessary. You can upgrade to paid tenancy and simply keep using "always free" resources for a $0.00 monthly bill.

I'm still on unpaid tenancy and oracle docs say that reclaim servers which are under or overutilized.

I use my oracle free servers (and one paid vps on hetzner) as automatic cloud fallbacks if my homelab is inaccessible over the internet for some reason. Which means I fall in the underutilized category as most of the time workload is under 2%. So I "fake" work to prevent reclaimation by oracle and its worked well so far.

``` # Oracle Cloud reclaims idle resources # https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier...

- name: Create cronjob for minimum CPU utilization

  ansible.builtin.cron:

    name: fake work to prevent re-claimation

    special_time: hourly

    job: timeout 30s sha1sum /dev/zero
```

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Post by jnwatson »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

The price disparity is getting worse. Cloud price reductions haven’t kept pace with the amazing pace of hardware performance improvements, especially in I/O and RAM quantity.

For $400 you can buy an SSD with 1.5 million sustained IoPS.

It is no big deal to build a 1TiB RAM box these days.

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Post by andix »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

If there were no microservices, a lot of companies would run their monoliths on a few VMs, with a small fraction of the cost ;)

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by nine_k »

piperswe wrote: post #203
BackBlast wrote: post #20

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I've benchmarked ARM systems vs other processors. On my workload, using Intel as a baseline. AMD under performs relative to standard benchmarks. ARM over performs relative to standard benchmarks. I have seen good performance from Ampere, particularly for the price. However, ARM architecture complicates my workflow significantly. I've found that they are not worth using it right now due to compatibility issues, easier…

I'm curious what distro you're using where there are missing packages. I've never run across missing distro packages on arm64 Debian (which I regularly use at work).

Have you faced issues with packages being too old on Debian Stable though?

"Missing packages" may be packages missing important features or bugfixes.

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Post by lmarcos »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

I think one disadvantage of putting everything (nginx, web server, database, monitoring tools, etc.) in one machine is that suddenly your machine is exposing a myriad of ports to the internet and one mistake on your side (e.g., misconfigured auth module) is all what's needed to compromise your entire service.

Having some sort of vpc where you can safely put your db server that only listens to requests from servers within the same vpc (e.g., web server) sounds like good practice to me.

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Post by nightpool »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

"I haven't tried Heroku, but expect similar prices and nearly as high of a configuration burden."

Are you kidding me? Prices, sure, but comparing the configuration burden using AWS or GCP alphabet soup to a dead-simple Heroku setup is ridiculous. You set up something like hirefire.io for autoscaling, you connect your Github repo and that's it. You're done. Compared to weeks worth of headaches setting up Terraform Cloud and CI actions and massaging your state file and spending days tearing your headout over insane obtuse NAT configuration parameters? It's literally night and day.

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