Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers • Hacker News Board

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by eis » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

jacooper wrote: post #94

eis wrote: post #37

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Hetzner at some point used to offer dedicated servers with GPUs like a nVidia 1080 but stopped offering these because there was a lot of fraud and abuse involving crypto miners. With all the AI hype I'd assume they'll try to offer GPU instances again with precautions put in place.

They are still available in the server auction section

Yes but what a reader unfamiliar with the server auction at Hetzner should know is that there is very limited supply (and sometimes none) plus it's outdated hardware. At this very moment I see 9 servers with 1080 priced between 105 and 118 euro per month available.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by oriettaxx » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:50 PM UTC

jayonsoftware wrote: post #183

Do they have servers in US ? Who would be the Hertzner equvelent in US when it comes to low cost dedicated hosting

yes, they do have now two Data Centers in the US https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/rechenzentrum/

* Oregon

* Virginia

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by nixass » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:50 PM UTC

red_trumpet wrote: post #132

datenwolf wrote: post #119

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A lot of people confuse the passport (Pass) with the national identity card (Personalausweis). There's no place of residence stated on the German passport, but it is part of the Personalausweis. Since German citizens by law are required to own a Personalausweis (there's no mandate to carry it around, just having it somewhere in a drawer suffices), practically all businesses in Germany do rely on the Personalausweis t…

To add to this, it is actually forbidden to have a different main residency than the one on your Personalausweis if you live in Germany. If you move, you have to change it within a few weeks.

This is dumb. Should I go to my home country and update my personal ID/passport every time I change apartment in Germany?

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by re-thc » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #63

re-thc wrote: post #10

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Old Skylake cloud instances is "really bad" in the current day compared to Rome/Milan/Genoa, Sapphire Rapids and Graviton 3 for example. We've moved on from lakes!

To be fair Ampere Altra is old now too. Kinda a contemporary with Ice Lake and the tail end of Skylake. Hetzner offering them right now is curious. Maybe its a pipecleaner for the next Ampere gen?

Does Ampere have a newer offering yet? Probably not? So Hetzner are offering the "current gen".

Meanwhile AMD and Intel both do have a later offering so they are "old".

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

nixass wrote: post #193

red_trumpet wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to this, it is actually forbidden to have a different main residency than the one on your Personalausweis if you live in Germany. If you move, you have to change it within a few weeks.

This is dumb. Should I go to my home country and update my personal ID/passport every time I change apartment in Germany?

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by fckgw » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

aendruk wrote: post #76

I’ve never paid much attention to Hetzner but this interested me. Upon clicking the call to action in the announcement they blocked me with “Request on Hold - Suspicous Activity Detected”. I have no interest in subjecting myself to this treatment.

Do you get this indigent over every error message you see?

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by barryp » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:55 PM UTC

jayonsoftware wrote: post #183

Do they have servers in US ? Who would be the Hertzner equvelent in US when it comes to low cost dedicated hosting

Yes, the have datacenters in Virginia and Oregon - seems to just be AMD servers though (no Intel or ARM).

Been using a couple VPSes in Oregon, pretty happy with them.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by re-thc » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:55 PM UTC

xenic wrote: post #90

re-thc wrote: post #35

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Demand and supply. Even if they did offer equal performance most of your docker images and other binaries may need to be rebuilt. The inertia is hard to beat. AWS has been trying really hard with Graviton 3.

Base docker images, such as Ubuntu have support for multiple architectures. Building your own based on them isn’t really difficult at all; docker buildx works remarkably well and build tools such as maven, sbt, etc. seem to have rather decent support for building multiarch images. Even better if you have decent build automation, implement cross building for amd64 and arm64 once and just make sure your FROM images sup…

A lot of things are usually not difficult in the absolute sense.

It's not just the building of it but the testing/verification of what's built.

1 major problem with a lot of use cases is there isn't enough test coverage and hence confidence in the change. Some people / companies find it easier to just pay the difference.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by _cenw » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #71

BackBlast wrote: post #39

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Introducing new distros to solve the problem is moving in the wrong direction. It's so much easier to deal with one distro in the cloud. Just more reasons not to go multi uArch.

ARM cloud hosts typically run distros with good ARM support. Oracle Linux is actually quite good, kinda like a pre optimized RHEL. Which begs the question: what is Hetzner pushing on these? SUSE maybe?

By default: Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, Rocky and Alma.

You can mount your own ISOs though.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by detaro » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 6:01 PM UTC

nixass wrote: post #193

red_trumpet wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to this, it is actually forbidden to have a different main residency than the one on your Personalausweis if you live in Germany. If you move, you have to change it within a few weeks.

This is dumb. Should I go to my home country and update my personal ID/passport every time I change apartment in Germany?

If you have residency permit, that gets updated. If you don't have (EU citizen) then having done the registration is enough. (I think GPs wording isn't particularly precise: what matters is the registration - and if you have a German ID document, then that gets updated at that point)