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Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

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Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#181

If people added their location it would be a lot more useful.

Location is irrelevant to most, if not all, forms of knowledge work. The pandemic pushed remote work style and it's unlikely to put that genie back in the bottle. Butt-in-seat mentality is for dinosaurs.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#182

The hiring process this day and age is just brutal, i.e., not efficient.

That likely implies an opportunity play for the category.

Some categories are vacant because of no first movers (frontier migrants get slaughtered) while others are vacant because there's not enough money in them.

I see the possibility of having AI agents interview and quiz people: far more people than any human hiring manager could ever interact with. And then, the algorithms would deliver the best fraction of candidates for final/manual review. Throw away the résumé algorithms and interact with humans to discover their talents and qualities that keywords cannot locate.

This is possible in narrow specialized AI domains such as coding and chat bots. Clearly, AGI is 10-100 years off in the distance.

The extreme value potential is apply similar discernment of exceptionally talented hiring managers in narrow domains that AI could not necessarily be fooled as easily by. Interrogation by chatbot seems a plausible future in most human activities.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#183

FAANG haven't got a great reputation in other walks of life. People see the perks and pay you've been given and with little expected return. There's huge attitudes to work that need to be unlearned by ex-FAANG. Many won't even interview you.

This is likely wishful thinking on your end.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not a citizen, but I’m holding out for a pure “tech” company for now anyway for various reasons. Thanks for the hint anyway - perhaps someone else will benefit.

May I ask why? I’ve done both pure tech companies and tech jobs at non-tech Fortune 100 companies. I much prefer the latter. In my experience there is less stress (I work about 30-35 hours per week), great benefits, competitive salary, interesting projects, don’t have to live in one of the tech hubs, good coworkers and boss, etc.

Have worked at non-tech companies (finance) for most of my career. Currently at a FAANG-tier company.

Needless to say, the pay at non-tech companies is substantially lower than FAANG and FAANG-tier tech companies. I quadrupled my TC going from the finance industry to my current company - and finance is known to pay above average for a non-tech company. I would say the junior SWEs with But money aside:

- The onerous bureacracy.

- General lack of respect for tech employees (you're the cost center).

- Dull/depressing office (assuming you're not WFH).

- My colleagues at the non-tech companies I've worked for were nice, great, people. I keep in touch with many of them. But objectively speaking I would say the overall technical caliber is noticeably lower than that of my current colleagues at the FAANG-tier company. For what it's worth, most of my colleagues at the non-tech companies that I felt were great technically...eventually also jumped ship for tech companies.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#185
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Not just you. I would guess, optimistically, I’m averaging a 5% conversion rate of applications to recruiter chats/“stage 0 interviews”. That is, ~95% of applications yield silence or a generic email rejection without any human contact. ~15 YOE, FAANG experience, usually only applying to roles I feel I’m at least a halfway good fit for (i.e. not a complete scattergun approach). I’m (financially) fine for now, which i…

" I wasn’t even laid off - I quit voluntarily and took a sabbatical while the good times were rollin’. " Did the same. Boy do I feel dumb now.

I don't really regret quitting - I was getting pretty depressed at my previous job, and not working at all was a vast improvement. I perhaps could've persuaded myself to jump back in 3-6 months earlier, before the job market fell off a cliff.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#186
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Hiring manager here with open REQs. I've been doing multiple phone screens daily, and it's been brutal on my end, too. I structure the hour-long phone screen to be 1/3 coding, 1/3 behavioural questions, and 1/3 career growth and questions for me. We rarely get out of the coding question block. It's a fairly simple question that ChatGPT solves easily. The tightest solution is about 10 lines of code. It can be answered…

An hour? Why would a phone screen be an hour. I don't want a hiring manager to ask tech questions and I don't want to talk to one for a whole hour.

Are you thinking of a recruiter screen? I absolutely want to talk to the hiring manager for an hour, or more. This person will be my new boss, the more I know about them the better.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#187
Applied to 3 companies in the last month, got 2 offers. Senior FE dev, Europe. Got lucky I guess, but we’re still extremely privileged. I’m getting 8 spam messages from recruiters weekly, used to get 20 daily. The big question is - is getting approached by recruiters a few times a week brutal compared to other jobs?

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a principal software engineer. If it takes me more than a month to get up to speed with an organization (I usually work with small-mid sized companies), I consider that a failure. Six months to first contribution is insane.

First Contribution and Up to full speed ramp up are completely different things. Expectations at FAANGS is that it might take a month or two for the contribution to start (one week, if you count bootcamp tasks at Meta), but it takes about 6+ months to full ramp up at the Senior+ level. At small startups, it is very different.

Yup, everyone should work in places they feel comfortable. I don’t want to work in an environment where it takes six months to ramp up.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" I wasn’t even laid off - I quit voluntarily and took a sabbatical while the good times were rollin’. " Did the same. Boy do I feel dumb now.

I don't really regret quitting - I was getting pretty depressed at my previous job, and not working at all was a vast improvement. I perhaps could've persuaded myself to jump back in 3-6 months earlier, before the job market fell off a cliff.

Actually I lied, I was laid off at the height of covid (company folded), I just decided to take a long sabbatical and try other things rather than going right back to a job; looking after family (kids were off school for almost a year), side projects etc. I also don't regret the time doing other things, only the lost opportunity to make bank and I suppose the 'not-a-wage-slave hole' in my CV, but now I need money sooner than expect, for reasons.

Most jobs themselves do not appear to have become much more attractive since last time, to say the least, and on top of that, it seems they've turned recruitment into some kind of hunger games competition.

I think in general the level of trust and loyalty workers are going to be willing to give will be much reduced, let's say, so I think this little game, and I do think it's game rather than necessity, is going to cost them in the long run.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn this is the most depressing comment in this whole comments section

Yeah, would be great to live in a magic land, where the US has no competitors, adversaries and sworn enemies. But this isn't magic land. US defense contractors are very much for profit and deliver a product that deters or kills some very bad people, more and more discriminating between collateral damage and intended targets - far more than can be said of Russian in Ukraine, for example. There's an entire generation i…

Agreed. It's hard being 'the good guy', and the uninformed will make you a villian sometimes. Not easy at all, sometimes no matter what you do, it's criticized.
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