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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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I have M1 iPad Pro and MacBook Pro. I don’t see that the new gear offers any real advantages. Same with my 3 year old Apple Watch and my iPhone 11 - every thing just works great.

I hope this sales downturn does not induce Apple to stop supporting older hardware.

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I'd be interested in a Mac once Linux is viable on it. OSX feels outright hostile to power users at this point.

I made the jump a couple days back, and Asahi Linux for M1's is great, it's not everything fully supported, but nice to have alongside mac for a more work OS

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So the stock should regress to the mean by this logic since it's up 100% since then?

Nope. That logic might be correct if Apple’s profits were 100% from the Mac. There’s this smaller device called the iPhone…

True. However, Apple is currently priced at 30x P/E. Lots of growth is priced in.

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Yeah, that's my bigger worry: that "desktop" (and then "laptop") are going to become niche platforms that only old-timers use. I dread our only-phone future.

If you could dock a phone and use it with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and it had all the software you used, whorls you still be worried? Microsoft did this with Continuum in windows phone 10, and iPadOS is trying to grow up to support more multitasking and a keyboard+mouse. It’s not too far of a leap that the iPhone could do the same thing. This would also be a lot cheaper than also purchasing a laptop.

I doubt they would let me get bored one day and figure out how the Bluetooth stack worked without being told “no, I really can’t be an iBeacon, get over it”.

Also, text editor and gcc is all I ever need. How many hoops would I have to jump through to get GPL programs unprohibited on iOS?

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I’ve traded my 2017 maxed out MBP for an M2 Air. It’s insane. I don’t do video editing but lots of code compiling and the Air handles it without problems. Sure, the Pro would be even faster, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing out on, but the Air is so crazy fast and the battery life so incredibly long, I have zero regrets on that purchase.

I’m in the camp of: I like the colors and cuteness of the air (I’m a guy for what it’s worth) but I always buy the pro ‘cuz, we’ll it’s “pro”. It’s probably more economical to buy the air at a lower cost and replace it more frequently but I dislike the hassle of moving files (the cloud has simplified this a lot), but more recently I’m concerned about e-waste.

Sell/trade your old hardware and there is no e-waste. Apple devices are great at keeping their value.

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post #165

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So the stock should regress to the mean by this logic since it's up 100% since then?

Nope. That logic might be correct if Apple’s profits were 100% from the Mac. There’s this smaller device called the iPhone…

It's not even that -- the relevant measure is revenue beat/miss, not absolute numbers.

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#187

As 'free money' is sucked out of the system (by reversing ultra low interest rates and QE), people are going to focus their spending on what they actually need - which often is not an Apple product.

Not to forget the recession that we may or may not be past. Repo rates might be one of the earlier signals of a recession, but I'd wager that declining boutique tech sales would occur even earlier (even if they are only reported later).

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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It's not just the pandemic shopping spree hangover, Apple's hardware pricing is completely out of the market. $1700-$2500 for a median spec computer? It's ridiculous.

People have been saying this for literal decades. That's not what's causing the drop.

Well.. now it is.

early 00's Macs were overpriced BUT they had the die-hard Apple fans which were mostly professionals with high income, then by the late to early 10's Macs were actually inline or cheaper than PCs ( and much better ), but in the last ~5-6 years the prices have been higher and higher to the point a large portion of their newly found market are being squeezed.

I imagine those people are not buying PCs in droves, but they are certainly holding to their older hardware.

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It won't. My daily driver is still a mid-2010 iMac.

When apps like Blender stopped working on my mid-2010 iMac is when I jumped.

My two 2015 vintage Macs are fine as browsers but wanted a fairly loaded Apple Silicon MacBook with a big SSD for various reasons.

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> upgrades are nuts - it costs as much as an iPhone to get a storage upgrade that is like $100 with commodity SSD storage. I generally agree that Apple's SSD and RAM upgrades are too expensive. I'd like them to be cheaper. However, I'd like to point out that Apple's SSDs have built-in protection against data-loss from power loss which is usually an enterprise SSD feature. Also, Apple uses LPDDR5 on their Macs which a…

I know I would, and I dare say most people are the same, prefer to have the option for 3% lower memory bandwidth in exchange for 4x more memory. There’s no justification for Apple’s memory prices.

Where do you get that "3% lower memory bandwidth" figure from? LPDDR5 is running at 6400 MT/s on at least Apple and Intel platforms, and the fastest DDR5 SODIMMs I've seen so far are 5600MT/s: 12.5% slower, assuming equal bus width (only true for the base M1/2 processors).
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