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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by Dalewyn »

belltaco wrote: post #79
quickthrower2 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use iPhones for the “cuz it just works” factor, and with those M chips, I am tempted to make the switch from Windows PCs These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneDrive on you and begs you not to install Chrome. Last 2 years over 2 devices: Broken screen (not due to external) Touchscreen not working Li…

> These days laptop PCs are unreliable across most brands I have tried and supplied with crapware and the operating system is hostile and forces stuff like OneDrive on you and begs you not to install Chrome. That is true but Apple's OneDrive equivalent thing iCloud is the same way, they even show fake red notifications on program icons to make you sign into iCloud and use dark patterns to make you use iCloud. They do…

As an avid Windows wizard who strongly dislikes Apple, I will give credit where credit is due: Apple's shit Just Fucking Works(tm).

Seriously, they just work. An M1 or M2 Macbook Air is the ideal laptop and computer for the vast majority of people. Games? There are game consoles for games, which also Just Fucking Work(tm).

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by rchaud »

soneil wrote: post #75
illiarian wrote: post #64

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I've always joked that if you want a maxed-out model, it's cheaper to fly to the States, buy there, and fly back than to buy in Europe (especially in Sweden where I am right now)

That's almost entirely Sweden having a high tax rate though. I just priced out an M2 MBA with ram & ssd maxed out. $2499 USD in the US and 33009kr in Sweden. $2499 is 26163kr, +25% VAT is 32705kr. So you're paying 304kr / $29 more than the US price.

There's a sales tax in the US too. 7.25% in CA, on top of the product price.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by stametseater »

TuringNYC wrote: post #84

Nothing to do with the article, but about the title: "Apple’s 40% Plunge in PC Shipments..." Historically, I've seen the term "PC" used to refer to Windows machines (not that it made much sense.) Has the term "PC" been generalized to also include Macs now?

The term "personal computer" predates the IBM PC by a few years, and was generally a synonym with "home computer" (which Apple computers also were.)

For instance, the TRS-80 was not an "IBM compatible PC", but was advertised as a personal computer. When these terms were new, they weren't yet technical jargon with subtle meanings. "Personal computer" meant simply a computer intended for personal use.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by propogandist »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #73
teh_klev wrote: post #69

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Which devices gave you such trouble?

Lenovo Flex, Asus Vivobook, Dell XPS13 Desktops are a different breed. They last forever.

A thinkpad would offer great build quality, although some of that is slipping due to Lenovo’s cost cutting strategies.

Unfortunately, today’s Windows OS is spyware, especially Windows 11, so the entire OS needs to be removed, if you want a good machine which fires not constantly send usage data to the Azure mothership, or some 3rd party.

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Post by postalrat »

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

I've seen a lot Linux based deeper machines now that docker has become huge.

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Post by bomewish »

dogma1138 wrote: post #82
illiarian wrote: post #64

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I've always joked that if you want a maxed-out model, it's cheaper to fly to the States, buy there, and fly back than to buy in Europe (especially in Sweden where I am right now)

That is if you don’t get caught at customs… you’ll have to pay at least the VAT on the value of your purchase and possible a duty as well. So if you want to do it legally you’ll have to add 20-25% to the price which no longer makes it very appealing.

Just take it out of the box and put it in your carryon, making it your 'work laptop' right? How would you risk being caught at customs?

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Post by betaby »

andyferris wrote: post #13
vachina wrote: post #11

I wanted to adopt MacOS… but I quickly realized how bad an idea it’s going to be… the M1 would probably sit unused in the shelf after the first week.

Why a bad idea?

Non the op, but for the that was the expectation. Compared to the well polished IOS/IpadOS MacOS looks and feels very dated.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Post by smoldesu »

threeseed wrote: post #54
client4 wrote: post #14

I'd be interested in a Mac once Linux is viable on it. OSX feels outright hostile to power users at this point.

Not sure what your definition of a power user is. But I have root access, can install every UNIX package under the sun with homebrew and can disable all security protections as needed. I also have a Linux workstation and I can't name anything it can do that my MacBook can't other than playing with niche technologies e.g. NVMEoF, Octane.

>can install every UNIX package under the sun with homebrew

Even this one? https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/

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Post by wirthjason »

earthnail wrote: post #49
golergka wrote: post #32

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I have the maxed out 2020 16" Macbook Pro, the last of the Intel ones. I really wanted to buy M1 and M2 one, and I have the means, but the existing one just works too well still for me to justify the expense to myself. Also, when I go and finally buy one, I think I'll just won't need the maxed out version anymore, and will prioritise portability over power, so I'll pay less. Simply because of reports about how powerf…

I’ve traded my 2017 maxed out MBP for an M2 Air. It’s insane. I don’t do video editing but lots of code compiling and the Air handles it without problems. Sure, the Pro would be even faster, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing out on, but the Air is so crazy fast and the battery life so incredibly long, I have zero regrets on that purchase.

I’m in the camp of: I like the colors and cuteness of the air (I’m a guy for what it’s worth) but I always buy the pro ‘cuz, we’ll it’s “pro”.

It’s probably more economical to buy the air at a lower cost and replace it more frequently but I dislike the hassle of moving files (the cloud has simplified this a lot), but more recently I’m concerned about e-waste.

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Post by crossroadsguy »

wil421 wrote: post #38
marinhero wrote: post #20

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This makes sense. Amongst my friends, a number of them maxed out an M1 machine not just because of the processor but also because of the improved I/O and new form factor. The M1 machine ticked so many boxes that the purchase decision was not solely pushed by the CPU. The machines are so good it’s hard to justify a new one!

Same here. I’ve wanted a MacBook Air since the core 2 duo days but the processor was always too slow and RAM too small. The fanless M1 air was exactly what I’ve wanted for 15 years.

> and RAM too small

The current default is 8GB and max is 16GB. It isn’t too high even now considering it’s 2023

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