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Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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Their EU pricing is just insane

Indeed, their pricing is way off, the low end models are too pricy for most non tech users.

When you start getting up to the models with 16gb ram/512gb disks, which I consider an absolute minimum, their price is jut too insane for many tech users.

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I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

I have the maxed out 2020 16" Macbook Pro, the last of the Intel ones. I really wanted to buy M1 and M2 one, and I have the means, but the existing one just works too well still for me to justify the expense to myself.

Also, when I go and finally buy one, I think I'll just won't need the maxed out version anymore, and will prioritise portability over power, so I'll pay less. Simply because of reports about how powerful M1/2 is.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#34

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

> Most tech companies now provide MacBooks for their employees as a default choice. Depends on your location, bubble and what kind work you do. Where I live now in Europe, companies mostly provide PC laptops with with Windows (vast majority) or sometimes Ubuntu on the same machines, because the bean counters here are far too scroogy to justify to management switching the entire fleet to Macs. Also probably because it…

Pretty much the same in the US. Even those doing webdev. Non-Windows is still very outlier.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

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post #11

I wanted to adopt MacOS… but I quickly realized how bad an idea it’s going to be… the M1 would probably sit unused in the shelf after the first week.

Why a bad idea?

I've been using a Mac M1 for over a year at work because my company likes Mac. I particularly would love to have Windows as an option.

I feel that everything is just a little harder and slower in MacOS vs Windows - one very obvious and memorable problem is the massive installation times for OS updates. Overall, as a result of a number of annoyances here and there, I'm less productive with a Mac despite its great hardware.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#38

I think Apple being as big, and making the big technological leap with M1 convinced a lot of customers to buy the new Macs. Even those that technically weren’t needing one/upgrade. Now, that curiosity bubble has saturated with the M2 being an iterative improvement and the customer base certainly not as desperate (intel to M1). Given enough time, I think the Macs will continue to gain market share. Most tech companies…

This makes sense. Amongst my friends, a number of them maxed out an M1 machine not just because of the processor but also because of the improved I/O and new form factor. The M1 machine ticked so many boxes that the purchase decision was not solely pushed by the CPU. The machines are so good it’s hard to justify a new one!

Same here. I’ve wanted a MacBook Air since the core 2 duo days but the processor was always too slow and RAM too small. The fanless M1 air was exactly what I’ve wanted for 15 years.

Re: Apple’s plunge in PC shipments is steepest among major computer makers

#39

How many people actually need the perf of an M1 or M2-based laptop? I see a lot of excited stuff about running ML models on Apple silicon, but not much about how it benefits ordinary tech users running compile workloads or whatever, and nothing at all about people running standard applications. The hardware is great, I'm just not convinced that the price/performance delivers a big enough market.

My M1 Pro builds LLVM about as fast as my 64 core cloud workstation. This is pretty neat.
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