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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by stametseater »

ChemSpider wrote: post #251
submeta wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

So you would rather buy a car from one of the "Dieselgate" companies? > Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system. Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.

> one of the "Dieselgate" companies?

There was only one "Dieselgate company", Volkswagen Group. BMW and Mercedes-Benz had nothing to do with it. And yes, I would rather buy a car that cheats on emissions tests than a car which spies on me. That's an easy choice (or would be, if I had any real confidence that VW cars truly don't spy on their users too. Which I don't.)

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Post by valarauko »

yumraj wrote: post #139
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

> My trust in private companies has been at it's lowest since then and I absolutely do not trust startups to keep my data safe. Tesla is neither a private company, nor a startup. But, your point is still valid.

> Tesla is neither a private company, nor a startup.

The parent implies 'private' in the sense of non-governmental entity (the Indian terminology), and by that metric both Tesla and Paytm are 'private' (and publicly traded)

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Post by jimt1234 »

mikece wrote: post #21

Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

Give me the original Tesla Roadster - a bunch of batteries, cool looking, and four wheels. That's it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKDqhWwzzgo

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Post by opportune »

PakG1 wrote: post #263
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks

I don’t recall the source, it may have just been anecdotes online that aren’t easily verifiable, but even after Facebook went legit as a company I’m pretty sure access to data (who’s looking at whose profile, stuff like that) was marketed as an employee perk.

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Post by recursive »

cheeze wrote: post #198
hef19898 wrote: post #178

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Amazon terminates you just for looking up someones order history beyond the need-to-kmow basis to solve a certain CS ticket. And rightly so. Well, Amazon doesn't like unions neither.

I will say, as much as I dislike many of the antics of Amazon, I am imrpessed in how much they push for keeping customer trust. Which is terrifying to me, they have to be a top company in that aspect, and I don't even fully trust them to get it right. The little guy, unfortunately, has no chance :/

Amazon trying to keep trust? Have they done anything about commingled inventory and counterfeits yet?

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Post by [deleted] »

hgsgm wrote: post #245
ALittleLight wrote: post #218

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Eberhard sued Musk challenging his right to call himself a founder and the case resolved such that Musk gets to keep calling himself a founder. Musk was a major source of funding early on, putting in about 6 million out of a 7 million dollar raise, served as chairman of the board, headed product design for the Roadster, and took over as CEO before they launched the Roadster. Tesla publicly acknowledges him as a found…

Yes, Musk bought the Founder title from Eberhard. In some countries, "moral rights" ban the practice of buying and selling the right to change facts like authorship.

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Post by bhelkey »

jacquesm wrote: post #190
submeta wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. On paper. But there are plenty of examples of companies doing things that they shouldn't be doing.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The important question is: what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?

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Post by bloqs »

hgsgm wrote: post #231
lisasays wrote: post #208

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Let's assume it's true: a Paytm employee acted negligently. Not negligently - maliciously. The employee knew exactly what they're doing, that it was "wrong" in any conventional sense -- and most likely a huge liability to their career and reputation if it got found out.

Working in a call center isn't a "career".

most people can't handle it as a career and it has low barriers to entry, so many people do it as an early job. I have met several 10x call center people, and it can be an incredibly lucrative career. It's effectively low level social engineering. It requires extraordinary levels of grit.

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Post by avg_dev »

a4isms wrote: post #232
hgsgm wrote: post #222

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Why on earth you create that in the first place, and put it in the menu? How often do you need to trash production (which should be never -- copying and scrabling is plenty bad enough) that you need a menu shortcut for it?!?

These were the days before you could just ssh and/or vpn into a client's production system, so I would copy their db onto my Mac, run the mongler on it, and then I would take the database home with me, without worrying whether the theft of my Mac could lead to lives being ruined.

good ethics, bad data handling practices.
Also, the code should not be allowed to run on a prod instance, even if it is triggered there.

But, I'm sure you've figured this all out by now.

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