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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by TylerE »

giantg2 wrote: post #112
TylerE wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn’t be wishing that the first time you were in an accident.

The theory would be to rebuild it with a roll cage, harness, etc for mixed use. In theory, these safety systems are superior to airbags. The only impediments to helmets/Hans with a real harness are people who don't use the existing seat belt (airbag can prevent ejection) and they are too inconvenient for the general public.

absolutely not. Roll cages are completely unsafe in a street car unless you’re wearing a helmet.

Also two words: Crumple zones. You don’t want a super hard Skelton, that will only increase crash forces.

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Post by lostlogin »

rationalist wrote: post #89
jjulius wrote: post #85

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The Nissan Leaf is exactly that. I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. It's a standalone device.

> I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. I don't think that's the distinction OP was trying to make.

> So it has the capability to connect?

I don’t think so. I was trying to get a firmware update, and I can’t without going to a dealer as far as I can tell.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by jacquesm »

everdrive wrote: post #162
jimlongton wrote: post #31

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I work in the industry. It's not a "vehicle" any more - it's a "platform" to "engage" with customers, i.e. sell your data and lock features behind ridiculous monthly fees. That is now the mantra of the automotive industry. It really kills any enthusiasm I have for new cars.

This is the most depressing thing I’ve read all day. I have two trucks. A 2010, and 1998. I was going to sell the 2010 for redundancy, but I don’t think I can. The 2010 is in pristine condition, and should last another decade if I’m careful with it. I’ll have to acquiesce to the modern trend with cars eventually, but I hope to hold out as long as I can.

My daily driver is a '97 and it's not going to get sold, ever, until it falls apart.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

squarefoot wrote: post #65

It may seem paranoid, but it is sane to expect that everything that it is closed and consequently not auditable for security and privacy, and goes online on a network we have no control over, even though not a public one, will soon or later be used for spying.

It's not paranoid, because... duh.

The more places where networks capable of surveillance exist, the less privacy you have, and the less autonomy you have. This has been obvious for decades. It is not surprising. No one on HN should be surprised by either the surveillance capabilities of a smart car, or the assdouchery capabilities of people who work for... ahem. I, for one, took both as a given, and I don't even work in tech.

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Post by Corence »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #145
wnevets wrote: post #100

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Do I really need to point out the differences between these two stories or can we agree they're not actually comparable?

Well, in my case, I fail to see how these stories are incomparable; they're not identical but they seem, at least, comparable. What makes them so fundamentally different that someone is wrong to share that story as an example of "something like this" story?

Tesla's example is most alarming to me since people who seemingly have no business purpose to access highly sensitive data have access to it. Culturally people feel safe sharing this data on internal chats which means they don't think coworkers will report the data access violations and since the content is spreading "like wildfire" there's a significant number of people at the company who are abusing data access as opposed to an individual abusing their elevated access.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

This is really disappointing. HDFC wouldn't ever do this to you if you used your debit card for transactions (I realize this isn't feasible for every vendor, I just mean conceptually). Now I have to wonder why Amex was banned for so long for not localizing data. The other payment apps with localized data aren't really doing that much to protect it!

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by rsync »

expertentipp wrote: post #144
mijowi wrote: post #119

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I put tape on mine

You guys buy premium car and then seal the interior components with tape here an there?!

Premium ?

Have you been in a Tesla ?

It approaches the interior quality of a 3 series or A4 … from below.

It is completely inappropriate to classify a Tesla as a luxury car.

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Post by cheeze »

hef19898 wrote: post #178
morkalork wrote: post #45

Yikes. So turning private images into memes and posting them internally isn't a fireable offence but union talk is? Such impeccable standards for conduct.

Amazon terminates you just for looking up someones order history beyond the need-to-kmow basis to solve a certain CS ticket. And rightly so. Well, Amazon doesn't like unions neither.

I will say, as much as I dislike many of the antics of Amazon, I am imrpessed in how much they push for keeping customer trust.

Which is terrifying to me, they have to be a top company in that aspect, and I don't even fully trust them to get it right.

The little guy, unfortunately, has no chance :/

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

lisasays wrote: post #47
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I'm so glad I've never heard of that service and have no idea what it is. Thanks very much for calling them out by name, BTW. Presumably someone from that company is reading this as we speak - and soon enough, will be reporting back to us that that employee has been identified, and of course, duly fired. Right, PayTM? (BTW - that's some "colleague" you have).

Indian peer to peer payments app. Generally considered one of the higher-quality made in India applications and very very widely used. Nobody will be IDed or fired until the same thing happens to a celeb or gvmt official.

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Post by jacquesm »

zevv wrote: post #97

Call me paranoid, but this is one of the reasons I'm still driving my '95 Volvo, the smartest thing in that vehicle is the box with relays.

Your '95 Volvo has > 20 CPUs in it. But it doesn't connect to the outside world unless you stick a plug in it somewhere.
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