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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by hgsgm »

lisasays wrote: post #208
Algemarin wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel conflicted whenever I see a comment like this. On the one hand, let's assume it's true: a Paytm employee acted negligently. But on the other hand, what if it's not true? What if you happen to have a friend or family member who works for a Paytm competitor, or you have some grudge against Paytm for whatever reason, and are instead spreading low-key FUD about the company to make it seem like they have lax data c…

Let's assume it's true: a Paytm employee acted negligently. Not negligently - maliciously. The employee knew exactly what they're doing, that it was "wrong" in any conventional sense -- and most likely a huge liability to their career and reputation if it got found out.

Working in a call center isn't a "career".

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Post by a4isms »

hgsgm wrote: post #222
a4isms wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once had a classified ad software hustle, and I needed customer data to debug things. But one of my customers was Canada's largest gay newspaper, and ts classifieds were highly sensitive. So I wrote a routine that obfuscated the database, changing all phone numbers to 555-xxxx, changing all names to random names of fruit (So a customer might become Banana Grapes, 416-555-1234), and a few other changes to hide other…

Why on earth you create that in the first place, and put it in the menu? How often do you need to trash production (which should be never -- copying and scrabling is plenty bad enough) that you need a menu shortcut for it?!?

These were the days before you could just ssh and/or vpn into a client's production system, so I would copy their db onto my Mac, run the mongler on it, and then I would take the database home with me, without worrying whether the theft of my Mac could lead to lives being ruined.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by hgsgm »

xwdv wrote: post #149
causi wrote: post #134

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From personal experience, people will do anything they are physically capable of doing and think they can get away with. Almost nobody I know has the slightest amount of respect for any private data to which they have access. This extends from people in healthcare breaking HIPAA to tell me about how Jane Doe is an idiot who got a mayo jar stuck in her vagina to IT workers showing me John Doe's cringey nude selfies. T…

This is what makes the lie more potent. It’s based on a kernel of truth, and because it reinforces beliefs, you can easily believe a Paytm employee acted negligently, with no more evidence than an anecdote.

Doesn't really matter, because unless PayTM proves it's impossible, someone is doing it. Do they have an external auditor report?

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Post by Natsu »

wnevets wrote: post #100
perihelions wrote: post #75

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There was a Google SRE who stalked women through their Google accounts. I wonder if I can find that HN thread... update: Found one of them, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692754 ( "Google fired engineer for breaking internal privacy policies" (2010)) It's not linked in there, but the Wired writeup adds that (0) there were at least two SRE's fired for something like this and (1) Google chose not to report this…

Do I really need to point out the differences between these two stories or can we agree they're not actually comparable?

I mean, the Google one seems much worse because this happened:

> Google engineer who allegedly used his internal clearances to access private Gmail and GTalk accounts so that he could spy on and harass people, including four minors.

In this article, it says some people in Tesla posted a few pics of funny signs and pets on an internal message channel read by some tens of people, and at least one intimate, but not nude pic. Which is not what I thought when I first read the headline here.

I guess there were some more concerning things, like someone approaching the car naked, but it doesn't have any context and that could be something they might be reporting as a crime for all I know. The article doesn't say one way or another and leaves us to assume that all incidents are the same as the people captioning pet pictures, but there's no clear relation.

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Post by stronglikedan »

nix0n wrote: post #114
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry What?

I think it means it just detects real time, but doesn't record or stream anything. Useful for drowsiness detection while driving, but not much else.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by hgsgm »

submeta wrote: post #154
lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Get a German car. Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. In all walks of life. Companies, schools, doctor‘s offices, etc. Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.

Point of information: Doge was a meme before the coin. Dogecoin exists because it was created as a meme coin.

Given that point, doge is an avatar of stupidity personified (caninified?) and so is a good fit for Twitter.

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Post by masswerk »

verdverm wrote: post #141
morkalork wrote: post #45

Yikes. So turning private images into memes and posting them internally isn't a fireable offence but union talk is? Such impeccable standards for conduct.

Let's wait and see if these employees get fired, this just broke. Typically an investigation happens. Reminds me of the Uber Christmas party story where they had things like this on a projector

Hum,

> Tesla managers sometimes "would crack down on inappropriate sharing of images on public Mattermost channels since they claimed the practice violated company policy," Reuters wrote.

somewhat implies that this has been a known issue for a while, already. (This shouldn't be triggered exclusively by a public scandal.)

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Post by iso1631 »

popinman322 wrote: post #150
wnevets wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do I really need to point out the differences between these two stories or can we agree they're not actually comparable?

Both violate user privacy and imply a need for better data privacy protections. One was targeted and the other was not, but they are in the same class of issues even if the severity is different.

Google's was a rogue employee that was caught. Tesla seems to be a cultural problem where employees think it's OK.
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