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My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by lionkor »

jbstack wrote: post #250
lionkor wrote: post #168

Ubuntu has always been this weird OS for me. Its not free enough or fast enough to be linux, it feels like a knockoff of something, but i cant put my finger on it. Their DE is just such a horrible POS. I had one extension/addon (?), which, due to some JS problem (all those extensions/addons are written in js), was slowly, over hours, hogging more ram, until eventually OOMimg the entire DE. Sure, this is just a one-of…

It seems strange to blame a distribution for a problem you had with a DE. Just change the DE. Or download one of the many Ubuntu flavours which has your preferred DE preinstalled.

Its not strange - you can absolutely blame a distro for its default settings and choices.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by lionkor »

barbs wrote: post #178
lionkor wrote: post #168

Ubuntu has always been this weird OS for me. Its not free enough or fast enough to be linux, it feels like a knockoff of something, but i cant put my finger on it. Their DE is just such a horrible POS. I had one extension/addon (?), which, due to some JS problem (all those extensions/addons are written in js), was slowly, over hours, hogging more ram, until eventually OOMimg the entire DE. Sure, this is just a one-of…

I believe they tried Lubuntu, which uses LXDE and in my experience was almost too fast so I'm curious as to why the author found it slow.

It could be misconfigured mouse acceleration, that can feel really sluggish

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by kuschku »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #306
kuschku wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you pretty much only saw the tail end of XP, at the beginning it was very much a struggle. Especially with old network adapters and SCSI devices being problematic, as well as many old 9x drivers not running on XP anymore (after all, XP was the first consumer Windows on NT).

I was using XP prior to public release, and used every version of it, including Media Center edition. Like I said, and like you stated in a very roundabout way whilst dismissing what I had to say, it comes down to choice of hardware. For the average Joe, there weren't problems, they were building machines with current-gen hardware and eschewing yesteryear hardware too. Anybody who had problems just bought new hardwar…

> Anybody who had problems just bought new hardware

And if you do so, Linux works just fine as well. But you were comparing Windows XP to people trying to install linux on old, specialty hardware bought for use with Windows, so we’ll have to keep the same circumstances as well.

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Post by Nullabillity »

skissane wrote: post #300
Nullabillity wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t see any “psychopathy” here, just rational business decisions. That's just a prettier word for the same thing. And bringing up Oracle as your reference for ethical behaviour is certainly... a take that doesn't really say what you think it says.

I used to work for Oracle. I'm still friends with people who I worked with at Oracle. Many of my current colleagues used to work for Oracle. My current manager, and his manager too, used to work for Oracle. Did we always agree with the decisions of Oracle executive management? Nope. Of course, so long as you work there, you can't say that publicly. But, even though there's quite a few things that Oracle did while I w…

You are deliberately putting in extra effort to make your own product less secure. Often with consequences that will primarily be felt by people far down the impact chain, who probably didn't even know that the choice was being made.

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Post by refracture »

detuur wrote: post #260
refracture wrote: post #44

Move from one EOL OS to another. You do you, you’ll be fine until you aren’t.. I feel bad for anyone you convince that this is okay.

I wonder if he would've been happy running ReactOS or something like Haiku or SerenityOS. It seems that the major reason why XP worked for him was how dead simple it was. The fact is that there's no modern "simple" OS. I know. I've looked. The point-and-click simplicity of the 90s is quite plainly no longer out there. Even macOS, championed for its supposed simplicity, has grown a large amount of extraneous features…

But at the end of the days they're just not good enough reasons.

This author doesn't believe that security is important because their crypto currency hasn't been stolen yet.

I don't know how one could possibly do a better job of conveying that they don't care and are just coming up with nonsense reasons to justify their bad computing habits.

They're free to do whatever they want, just like us all.. but I still cringe at the idea that somebody who doesn't know better could read this article and think running Windows 7 now is a good idea.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by Haga »

ogurechny wrote: post #171
branon wrote: post #57

This is not a sensible or technically sound thing to do. It is purely irrational. Win7 is already stuck on Chrome 110/111(?). You are not gaining much by doing this, and are assuming significant risk. Even if specific portions can be quantified away, it's the unknown unknowns that should scare you. Try a Linux distro again maybe? With some non-default themes and Wine, it really should make a better WinXP than WinXP.…

This is a perfect example of modern day superstitions, in no way different from superstitions of stereotypical hairy cavemen sitting around the fire. You react to a program release that is mere three months old with a perfectly capable layout engine that has gathered enormous amount of functionality over who knows how many man-centuries across itself and its library dependencies as if you were told to drive an ox-car…

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by amatecha »

shortrounddev wrote: post #266
amatecha wrote: post #89

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Steam just announced[0] their client will no longer work on Windows 7 come Jan 1st 2024. I figured this would happen as soon as I noticed they adopted Chromium Embedded Framework, guaranteeing that Google's supported OSes become Steam's supported OSes. I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to play Steam games from 2004 (or whatever) on the OS they were designed for, when Steam won't even run on that OS anymore. I gue…

There's a steam CLI you can use to download the games without an interface

Ah sick, but will they actually launch? IIRC the DRM requires that you sign in at least once a month (or something) to refresh the activation stuff so you can actually launch the game(s).

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by parker_mountain »

bakugo wrote: post #77
parker_mountain wrote: post #38

>My belief is that computer security is highly overrated. With a decent firewall, which every router has these days, only your own activity can expose you to attack from hostile actors. All internet browsers also help you by warning when you are about to do something stupid like executing code from a remote source. This is a ridiculous thing to say. The reason that there are so few misleading ads, so few zero days be…

> The reason that there are so few misleading ads I can open youtube on my phone right now and find an ad saying "everyone who clicks here will get $1000", misleading ads are still everywhere even if they might not be malware. And I doubt ads exploiting browser 0-days were actually that common back in the day, ads in general weren't nearly as common.

I suppose "so few" is relative. While they still exist, it's nothing like 10 years ago.

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Post by wkat4242 »

hulitu wrote: post #211
wkat4242 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Isn't that a thing of the past? In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes. On Linux and BSD I've had some more issues at times but that's been more because of my own messing around.

> In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes. In the last 10 years my updates on Windows and Android: - have decided to hide the scrollbar (Windows and Android) - have decided that i don't need a menu (Windows and Android) - have decided that they can do whatever they want with the titlebar. (windows) - Have decided to hide the keyboard cur…

Apple has also long decided to hide the scrollbar. And they also change stuff around constantly. This is one of the reasons I moved away from Mac.

Not saying your point isn't valid but it goes for Apple too.

I'm on FreeBSD now myself (with KDE, which has a ton of options so I can finally set things up the way I like again).

Apple was actually pretty much aligned with how I liked things, but in the past years things have become much worse. I hated the flat redesign, I hated mission control and its multiple desktops in a row instead of a grid, and many more changes that were forced on me without having a choice.

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