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My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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>> laptop with soldered RAM The RAM on M1/M2 has 200 GB/sec bandwidth. Hence must be soldered. Impossible with sockets at this level of power consumption. Adding sockets significantly reduces efficiency and performance at the high end. Laws of physics.

In case of Apple Macs, the board with CPU and RAM could be made replaceable and connect to the rest of laptop with USB and PCIE lanes.

Isn't that basically already the case? The CPU is a System on a Chip. Not much else on that mainboard besides CPU/RAM. The M1/M2 laptops are relatively serviceable compared to the previous generation.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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None of Microsoft's operating systems were as good as Windows XP and at least one (8) was a complete disaster, the shock waves from that catastrophe still rumbling around. By failing to reproduce that success, Microsoft has ceded most of the moral market share to Apple. Though, as a Linux user, every time I see a Mac desktop I can't resist noticing how often would it lock up and display that rotating "busy" mouse cur…

95 was trash, 98 was gold. XP was great, Vista was trash. 7 was great, 8 was trash. 10 was gold, 11 is trash. Seems Microsoft has to squeeze in at least one bad version between good ones. But never has a new Windows version been made available where people didn't initially hate them at first, XP, 7, and 10 included. It's not until the version after gets released when people really start appreciating what once was.

I don't think that's true. Vista was so hated, that 7 was pretty much universally heralded as a big improvement, even if half of that was the ecosystem getting used to the new driver model introduced by Vista.

And as others have observed, 2000 was an immediate hit with everyone who tried it.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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> This totally ignores the concept of "zero-days", vulnerabilities discovered that are only known by bad actors or known but not patched yet. If we're talking zero-days, then XP offers no more or less protection than any other version of Windows on that front.

Either Windows XP has no vulnerabilities left and we should all immediately start using it or it has lingering vulnerabilities and they simply aren't noticed by more recent projects like Google Project Zero.

...I mean, you could say the same thing about any other version of Windows, so I don't quite get the point you're making.

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K-Meleon's engine (i.e. Goanna 3.x) follows ArcticFox, which is trying to catch changes in Gecko 45 right now. better try New Moon 28 which is XP compatible fork of Pale Moon.

Do you perchance happen to also be roytam1 on the official k-meleon forums[1] and other places[2][3]? If so, thank you so much for your work! Also please get https://piped.video working in k-meleon somehow. If you're not that RoyTam, I rescind the previous thank you, and the request. [1] http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,154431,157231,pa... [2] https://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/ [3] https://o.rthost.win/palem…

piped.video uses regular expression flag s which is unsupported by goanna3.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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So many problems with this piece >> My computer is also not some old rubbish. It has an Intel Core2Duo CPU with 4 Gb RAM. It was top of the line in 2009. Just because you had a top of the line PC in 2009 does not disqualify it from being 'old rubbish' in 2023. A Core2Duo is ancient at this point. >> The truth is I have never been hacked once in the eight years I have had this computer. Or something has been compromis…

I have a 2008 iMac that I use every day—more than my i7 laptop. This iMac is also a Core2Duo. Why? Well, I really like the screen and it happens to be setup in the nicest spot I have in my home to work. In particular, it is the best place to video conference ( Zoom, Teams, or GoToMeeting ). The real answer though is because I when I sit down at it to get things done, I rarely run into a limitation that makes me want…

Right there with you, with an old i5 iMac from 2009 as my "daily driver," also because it is set up in the main room with an incredible view, and I love its 27" non-Retina display.

I use the 2009 iMac more than my 2023 M2 Pro Mini, although the latter machine is IMPRESSIVE (to say the least).

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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I never once went to the library or struggled to install XP, nor have I ever encountered anyone who did. It quite literally pretty much just worked. Maybe it comes down to hardware choice?

Then you pretty much only saw the tail end of XP, at the beginning it was very much a struggle. Especially with old network adapters and SCSI devices being problematic, as well as many old 9x drivers not running on XP anymore (after all, XP was the first consumer Windows on NT).

I was using XP prior to public release, and used every version of it, including Media Center edition. Like I said, and like you stated in a very roundabout way whilst dismissing what I had to say, it comes down to choice of hardware. For the average Joe, there weren't problems, they were building machines with current-gen hardware and eschewing yesteryear hardware too. Anybody who had problems just bought new hardware, they didn't muck around at the library. Perhaps libraries where you are provide better information, but libraries in the UK at the time were pretty much the last place you would go for technical documentation.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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>> laptop with soldered RAM The RAM on M1/M2 has 200 GB/sec bandwidth. Hence must be soldered. Impossible with sockets at this level of power consumption. Adding sockets significantly reduces efficiency and performance at the high end. Laws of physics.

In case of Apple Macs, the board with CPU and RAM could be made replaceable and connect to the rest of laptop with USB and PCIE lanes.

Back in the old days I started with computers that had fixed memory and we didn't complain.

Commodore 64 - stuck with 64k soldered RAM.

Amstrad CPC 6128 - stuck with 128k soldered RAM

No one bitched or moaned about it.

I prefer soldered RAM and SSD on my Macbook for the performance boost.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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You should try, say, Debian 12 on an old computer with encrypted disks. it's unusable

How old is old? I use Debian on an 11-year old cheap laptop, and it runs fine. No GNOME, of course (it's the performance equivalent of Windows on pretty much any hardware). The laptop was something like $300 back in 2012.

without GNOME and disk encryption, of course you can run Debian on a toaster

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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> This is addressed two paragraphs after the one you've quoted. And it's equally an incomplete assessment based on the same "This is fine" attitude. The computer could be participating in a botnet dedicated to bring down the network in hospitals or steal their sensitive medical data, and the author would never know.

Does using Windows 11 and keeping up with the latest updates as soon as they’re available prevent that from happening, compared to the author’s setup? Nothing would help if you click on the wrong download link for your favourite software in either case, and an innocent PDF has hacked Linus Tech Tips nevertheless. At least, by not keeping up to date you’re not opening yourself to new bugs.

You're comparing using an obsolete version full of known exploits in the wild, which may be hacked by automated scripts, with adopting a bleeding edge system which may or may not have undisclosed vulnerabilities potentially know only by a few elite researchers? Try again.

Also you're missing the obvious solution, using a long-term support system with a robust audit process and well timed security releases. Author's setup will NOT be safer than that.

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It seems strange to blame a distribution for a problem you had with a DE. Just change the DE. Or download one of the many Ubuntu flavours which has your preferred DE preinstalled.

Worse, they had a problem with a third-party add-on they installed. An add-on that likely would've been either two orders of magnitude more complex or straight-up impossible on Windows or macOS. I've had my fair share of OOMs and crashes because of shell customization on Windows and they were all far harder to deal with.

The addon enabled having folders on the desktop, because the DE didnt come with that.
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