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My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by hulitu »

wkat4242 wrote: post #107
jollyllama wrote: post #64

Many times have I lost hours, days, or functionality that was never regained to an update/"upgrade." Never have I had my personal computer owned by some exploit that resulted in data loss/breach. Thus, undesired upgrades are a greater risk for personal computing than security. Simple as.

Really? Isn't that a thing of the past? In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes. On Linux and BSD I've had some more issues at times but that's been more because of my own messing around.

> In the last 10 years all my updates on Mac and Windows alike have been a matter of clicking OK and waiting 30-60 minutes.

In the last 10 years my updates on Windows and Android:

- have decided to hide the scrollbar (Windows and Android)

- have decided that i don't need a menu (Windows and Android)

- have decided that they can do whatever they want with the titlebar. (windows)

- Have decided to hide the keyboard cursor (Windows)

- have decided to change the default alarm sound (Android)

- general changing of behavior after updates (Are there people paid to change the UI continously ?) (Windows and Android)

- disabling accesibility settings (fonts, colors chosing) (Windows and Android)

... and so on, and so fort.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by Mike_12345 »

codedokode wrote: post #204

I switched to Linux from Windows XP. Linux is great in almost every aspect except for memory usage and lots of tiny bugs and things getting constantly broken. If you are not fine with running commands in terminal, it might not work for you. Recent example: in Fedora the firewall in default configuration blocks DHCP packets when you try to share Internet via bluetooth. In Windows traditions no message is displayed on…

>> laptop with soldered RAM

The RAM on M1/M2 has 200 GB/sec bandwidth. Hence must be soldered. Impossible with sockets at this level of power consumption.

Adding sockets significantly reduces efficiency and performance at the high end. Laws of physics.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by misnome »

sph wrote: post #169
ihateolives wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just needed to enable e.g. Nouveau with the appropriate kernel module parameters? And that's why Linux will stay in the server for majority of people, not on their desktop. "You just need to enable something with some parameters and you're all set!" Seriously?

Do we need this comment parroted every single time someone mentions Linux on this forum? I get it, it's too complicated for you, can we move on instead of rehashing this point over and over again? The past week we have had two major Linux discussions and in each thread there is a semi flame war that starts because some had to voice yet another "this is why Linux is so hard for nan to use", as if it was a novel or con…

> Do we need this comment parroted every single time someone mentions Linux on this forum? I get it, it's too complicated for you, can we move on instead of rehashing this point over and over again?

Yes, if it is a reply to a problem where someone "Tried linux and it was slow, so didn't use". If system configuration debugging were in their taste, they would have done so. So it's the "Just configure parameters " which is the pointless rehashing.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by dizhn »

Aeolun wrote: post #81
bakugo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations like Microsoft have successfully hammered this idea into people's heads that the evil hacker known as Anonymous will hack into your fridge and make it explode and burn your house down if you forget to update it for two weeks. Almost nobody who makes a big deal out of this has ever actually been affected by it, they're just parroting what they're told.

I mean, I used to say that updating was important when updates were painless and worked. Now that we've successfully convinced everyone to always update, corporations use it to push fresh malware/ads.

Not only that they made updates they really really want to make automatic and compulsory.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by RaisingSpear »

wkat4242 wrote: post #104
lmm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? An attacker has to know about a vulnerability to use it. Unless there's some reason that security researchers would be more focused on vulnerabilities in new systems than attackers are, or something like that.

This totally ignores the concept of "zero-days", vulnerabilities discovered that are only known by bad actors or known but not patched yet. This is very common, and these vulnerabilities are sold for a lot of money and the buyers make sure to protect their investment as long as possible. Of course that also means they go exclusively for high-value targets which means end users are most likely fine (see Pegasus as an…

> This totally ignores the concept of "zero-days", vulnerabilities discovered that are only known by bad actors or known but not patched yet.

If we're talking zero-days, then XP offers no more or less protection than any other version of Windows on that front.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by jalapenos »

ihateolives wrote: post #126
nextos wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the OP just needed to enable e.g. Nouveau with the appropriate kernel module parameters? I am regularly using a 14 year-old MacBook on plain X and it is surprisingly fast.

> just needed to enable e.g. Nouveau with the appropriate kernel module parameters? And that's why Linux will stay in the server for majority of people, not on their desktop. "You just need to enable something with some parameters and you're all set!" Seriously?

Amen. I bought a printer and trying to make it work with Ubuntu is just hell.

Ubuntu is great, but it would be nice if there was some Ubuntu+ addon subscription service where I could pay to make the bullshit go away. I've got other stuff to do than still trying to get peripherals to work, in 2023.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

CaptainNegative wrote: post #18
capableweb wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

95 was trash, 98 was gold. XP was great, Vista was trash. 7 was great, 8 was trash. 10 was gold, 11 is trash. Seems Microsoft has to squeeze in at least one bad version between good ones. But never has a new Windows version been made available where people didn't initially hate them at first, XP, 7, and 10 included. It's not until the version after gets released when people really start appreciating what once was.

What do you dislike about 95?

It was really unstable.

Some people claim this was mostly due to bad 3rd party drivers and not the OS itself. But even if that's true, from the user perspective it's very hard to tell the difference.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by codedokode »

Mike_12345 wrote: post #212
codedokode wrote: post #204

I switched to Linux from Windows XP. Linux is great in almost every aspect except for memory usage and lots of tiny bugs and things getting constantly broken. If you are not fine with running commands in terminal, it might not work for you. Recent example: in Fedora the firewall in default configuration blocks DHCP packets when you try to share Internet via bluetooth. In Windows traditions no message is displayed on…

>> laptop with soldered RAM The RAM on M1/M2 has 200 GB/sec bandwidth. Hence must be soldered. Impossible with sockets at this level of power consumption. Adding sockets significantly reduces efficiency and performance at the high end. Laws of physics.

In case of Apple Macs, the board with CPU and RAM could be made replaceable and connect to the rest of laptop with USB and PCIE lanes.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by codedokode »

lionkor wrote: post #168

Ubuntu has always been this weird OS for me. Its not free enough or fast enough to be linux, it feels like a knockoff of something, but i cant put my finger on it. Their DE is just such a horrible POS. I had one extension/addon (?), which, due to some JS problem (all those extensions/addons are written in js), was slowly, over hours, hogging more ram, until eventually OOMimg the entire DE. Sure, this is just a one-of…

There is no browser, only JS interpreter. I think that addons should not be downloadable, user should write them themselves and if there are bugs because of it, it's only user's fault.

Re: My long goodbye to Windows XP (2022)

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Post by codedokode »

jalapenos wrote: post #216
ihateolives wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just needed to enable e.g. Nouveau with the appropriate kernel module parameters? And that's why Linux will stay in the server for majority of people, not on their desktop. "You just need to enable something with some parameters and you're all set!" Seriously?

Amen. I bought a printer and trying to make it work with Ubuntu is just hell. Ubuntu is great, but it would be nice if there was some Ubuntu+ addon subscription service where I could pay to make the bullshit go away. I've got other stuff to do than still trying to get peripherals to work, in 2023.

The problem with Linux is that people buy random hardware without any research and expect it to support Linux. Try installing MacOS on a random laptop or Windows on M1 Mac and get the same result.

There should be official compatibility list for laptops of all price ranges and whoever buys something not from the list needs to deal with issues themselves.

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