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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by sirsinsalot »

beebmam wrote: post #455
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

The US is a state entity where its representatives are elected, and those representatives make the policy decisions on what nations get financial support for their militaries. To claim that these representatives don't make their decisions based on morality, or any other value that individuals have, is strictly false. One might argue that only individuals who have opinions in line with national interests are electable…

Incompetence, greed and moralistic propaganda sure can masquerade as a functioning democracy.

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Post by Emma_Goldman »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #460
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. This comment gets thrown around a lot but oversimplifies things. First, in the 90s, 2000s, and some of the 2010s ‘the US’ was China’s biggest cheerleader, investor, and supporter. Most US elites knew China would eventually become a bigger economy due to their 4x larger population, and were ok wit…

>"Second, sure the US doesn’t want to lose control of the mostly peaceful, prosperous, and free rules-based order it created after the disastrous first half of the 20th century. And rightly so."

Which has been the justification every hegemonic power has offered when working to undermine a rising power.

Whose rules are they, and who do they benefit? Who has most egregiously exempted themselves from the rules without consequence?

I agree that 'a world dominated by Xi Xinping' would be worse - though it's not clear they have any aspiration to global primacy, like the US did post-WW2 - but that's no reason to peddle myths about American exceptionalism.

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Post by rl3 »

senttoschool wrote: post #469
SkyMarshal wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. This comment gets thrown around a lot but oversimplifies things. First, in the 90s, 2000s, and some of the 2010s ‘the US’ was China’s biggest cheerleader, investor, and supporter. Most US elites knew China would eventually become a bigger economy due to their 4x larger population, and were ok wit…

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>The first instinct for the Chinese is to negotiate.

Perhaps you should ask the Uyghurs how their negotiations are going.

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Post by paganel »

baq wrote: post #454
paganel wrote: post #451

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> And? Do you want Xi Xinping in charge of global culture, security, finance? Why not? Granted, I'm not an American. I haven't heard any Chinese Foreign minister goading of having killed hundreds of thousands of kids the same way as the US did [1], so why shouldn't the rest of the world give China a chance instead of the US? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP1OAD9jSaI

You haven’t heard because they are very good at being quiet about what they do. Google Uighur, then google further since you now know what to look for.

At this point I'm treating any information coming from Western sources as propaganda and definitely questionable. It wasn't always like this, but that's what the last couple of years have made me think.

As such, I'd need other sources than Western media to tell me what to think about what happens to the Uighurs (whom I'm sure do not have an easy life, far from it).

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Post by concordDance »

mjevans wrote: post #333
jacquesm wrote: post #239

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You don't need to be afraid of China to realize that outsourcing a very large fraction of all manufacturing for half the world to a single non-democratic country doesn't serve our interests in the long run.

Centralization promotes efficiency, until a problem happens. I can't seem to find anything in news headlines, probably because the event I remember hearing about likely happened before Google's founding (I think it was the 1990s or 1980s?); but at a point in time the plastic used for either all or a lot of ICs was manufactured in one single facility. That plant happened to catch fire and it was a major supply issue.…

> regulators must press on the scales and ensure _competition_ remains

An expectation of surge pricing may also work here. Figuring out some standard contract wording that quickly pushes the price spike all the way down the supply chain to the consumer and publishing it might help.

> Shipping also isn't free and externalities like pollution should not be allowed

Hard to regulate that without a world government.

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Post by inconceivable »

HyperSane wrote: post #328
Barrin92 wrote: post #321

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Morally I think the treatment of the Uighurs is pretty awful, geopolitically it's irrelevant. Made obvious by the indifference to it even in the Islamic world. And if you think American behavior is determined by the plight of the Uighurs rather than anxiety over losing its hegeomnic position, I have a bridge to sell you. And yes people have prematurely talked about the end of the dollar mostly for ideological reasons…

Are you aware of just how strong the US dollar is right now?

LOL.

the strength of the dollar is exactly why people want to move away from it.

financing domestic purchases with a foreign currency is expensive.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

senttoschool wrote: post #469
SkyMarshal wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. This comment gets thrown around a lot but oversimplifies things. First, in the 90s, 2000s, and some of the 2010s ‘the US’ was China’s biggest cheerleader, investor, and supporter. Most US elites knew China would eventually become a bigger economy due to their 4x larger population, and were ok wit…

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This 1/3 (roughly 2.3B people) seems like about the most unlikely statistic I’ve ever seen. 2/3 of the world live in the top 10 counties, which include the US, and none of which had the US had any military activity in. The rest of the 200 countries make up the 1/3 you claim. Surely you don’t mean the US is carpet bombing everywhere? I suspect you might have been fed a bit of propaganda somewhere, or you’re over quantifying your emotional stance.

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Post by hepinhei »

senttoschool wrote: post #469
SkyMarshal wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. This comment gets thrown around a lot but oversimplifies things. First, in the 90s, 2000s, and some of the 2010s ‘the US’ was China’s biggest cheerleader, investor, and supporter. Most US elites knew China would eventually become a bigger economy due to their 4x larger population, and were ok wit…

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They negotiated a lot in Tiananmen Square, Hong Kong more recently and Taiwan in the near future.

Imagine the Capitol attack in China, it would be a massacre

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Post by snehk »

beebmam wrote: post #455
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

The US is a state entity where its representatives are elected, and those representatives make the policy decisions on what nations get financial support for their militaries. To claim that these representatives don't make their decisions based on morality, or any other value that individuals have, is strictly false. One might argue that only individuals who have opinions in line with national interests are electable…

But the US support for dictatorships hasn't changed between Obama and Trump (or Biden). The US will support any dictatorship that furthers US interests and will oppose any dictatorship that does the opposite.

Thus it's perfectly valid to say that it's never about whether it's morally right to support dictatorships. China is disliked by the US because it's a threat to America being #1 economically, not because it's a dictatorship. The same is true for human rights abuses, of course.

Individual politicians might have certain morals or values. I really believe Obama wanted to close Gitmo but if you look at the results, they're absolutely predictable and not at all based on any morals the US claims to have.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by fnordpiglet »

beebmam wrote: post #455
snehk wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why the US doesn't like China is because the US dislikes the idea of being the #2 economy and losing control. The US has absolutely no "morals" so to say and is allied with/provides literal military support to about 70% of dictatorships[1]. The US simply acts out of national interests, not morals. History proves this. I'm baffled by how many Americans repeat state propaganda points. [1] https://truthout.or…

The US is a state entity where its representatives are elected, and those representatives make the policy decisions on what nations get financial support for their militaries. To claim that these representatives don't make their decisions based on morality, or any other value that individuals have, is strictly false. One might argue that only individuals who have opinions in line with national interests are electable…

Is this the case? I thought the USAID department allocated mainly its appropriations for foreign aid not the legislature? My understanding is the allocations are guided by the president, Secretary of State, and NSC.
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