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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by nonethewiser »

dmix wrote: post #95
insane_dreamer wrote: post #80

China long-term strategizes while the US often twiddles its thumbs and belatedly responds (it's waking up with the export controls on chip manufacturing tech, but it should have done that a decade ago).

Why should the US instigate trade wars so hard? Why not be pro-free trade as possible (even if it's imbalanced) while investing heavily in their own self-reliance. That sounds more win-win to me than throwing gasoline on the fire when there's little practical self-realiance replacements in the near term without bigger consequences than the alternative. It's a dangerous game to play without substantial and subsequent…

China had (and still has) higher tariffs on U.S. goods decades ago. They don’t respect copyright laws, use tech for spying, and steal technology. How is the US starting a trade war?

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Post by asdff »

NLPaep wrote: post #119
vkou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.

Which countries have been saying that about the US? Last I checked, many of China’s neighbors have been upset at China.

To be fair many (all?) of china's southeast asian neighbors are hosts to US military bases. They aren't going to bite the hand that pays for their anti aircraft defenses.

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Post by nobodyandproud »

thrashh wrote: post #198
nobodyandproud wrote: post #178

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> Nobody wanted to admit a "full blown invasion would happen" is better wording. That’s still a spectacular failure in its own right. It means we’re not willing to admit the obvious until it becomes a far bigger problem. A weakness of a democratic process without the right leaders.

Are you suggesting someone should have pre-emptively invaded Russia after Crimea, thus instead of worrying about a possible full-blown invasion, get it out of the way and just guarantee one? Because as far as I know, the right people expected something to happen — there is just the issue of “well, what do you do about it?”

> Are you suggesting someone should have pre-emptively invaded Russia after Crimea, thus instead of worrying about a possible full-blown invasion, get it out of the way and just guarantee one?

That’s quite a leap of logic there. I think it’s enough to recognize that many believed a full invasion wasn’t in the cards.

> Because as far as I know, the right people expected something to happen — there is just the issue of “well, what do you do about it?”

The main issue here is that we let down our guard against hostile leaders and nations. And there still seems to be a a large portion of Western civilization in denial.

But a deadman-switch NATO membership? Prop up their defensive capabilities? Put pressure on Germany with regards to gas and overly cozy relationships with Russia?

Hindsight is easy and I’m sure others have better ideas; that’s besides the point.

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Post by webkike »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #146
nonethewiser wrote: post #145

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Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain.

> Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain. We’re much closer than we were 20 years ago. Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine; nor that Xi would be foolish enough to scare away Taiwan by muscling in on Hong Kong. Unless the CCP forces Xi out, their hardliners and the middle-kingdom mindset have al…

Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine? They've been at war since 2014. A full blown invasion was a legitimate possibility for anyone paying attention since Russia invaded Georgia in 2008

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Post by nobodyandproud »

thrashh wrote: post #202
nobodyandproud wrote: post #159

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Excuse my hyperbole. The better term would be “divided”. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/qa-what-is-risk-war-bet... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/3/how-real-is-the-thr... vs. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/us-warns-russi... for example.

They’re just random news sites you’re linking though. They’re not even political news magazines. News editors don’t enact policy. Who cares what they thinks.

Gaslighting doesn’t work here. I provided my evidence. Show me proof of the contrary.

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Post by asdff »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115
vkou wrote: post #25

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Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.

> the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea The U.S. doesn’t claim the sea as its sovereign waters. China does. (Which had the totally unpredictable effect of majorly pissing off every one of its maritime neighbours.)

The Philippines do which might as well be the US claiming sovereignty, since they are a host of the US military and in a mutual defense agreement.

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Post by meowtimemania »

decafninja wrote: post #123
sohex wrote: post #46

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What does China actually stand to gain by invading Taiwan? Any kind of real analysis based in anything other than nationalistic fervor or fear mongering seems to indicate that they're better served by the status quo.

Face. As an East Asian myself, the amount of stupidity that goes on in all of the East Asian countries at all levels because of “face” is astounding. Call it “honor” or “nationalism” or “XXX Pride” - ultimately all the same thing.

What do you mean by "Face"?

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Post by ChatGTP »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #140
causi wrote: post #33

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This is not normal decoupling, we're in a full on economic war. In the short term that's terrible. In the long term, pain now will help minimize pain later when China invade Taiwan and US-China trade drops to zero overnight. It's coming sooner or later and the longer you leave your investments in China the more you risk the door slamming shut on your hand.

> It's coming sooner or later and the longer you leave your investments in China the more you risk the door slamming shut on your hand. Half the US population is asleep. During my undergrad years, I told my professor—then racing to get a foothold in China—that I thought war with China was inevitable. 15 to 25 years was my projection. He probably thought I was batshit crazy, but here we are. China’s now using shows of…

The plan is robots and Silicon Valley tech. Free market capitalism is the plan.

That’s why so much funding is going into AI and robots lately.

…yes it’s a just a hunch but I believe it!

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Post by Symbiote »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #158
WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #121

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If I were him, I'd prefer the status quo. Invading Taiwan is not a 100% success guarantee and surely Xi doesn't want to end up like Putin in Ukraine. Even a (military) success would threaten his rule, simply by the economical consequences. That's a lot of risks for very little rewards. But who knows ... we can just hope for the sake of all of us, that the Chinese have better intelligence and better risk assessment th…

The Chinese government does, at present, strongly favor the status quo. However, it's becoming increasingly clear that the US is shifting away from the One China policy. That shift is deeply alarming the Chinese government. There doesn't seem to be anyone in American politics who is capable of pressing the breaks, slowing down the drive towards confrontation, and reengaging in real diplomacy with China. In the end, t…

So if China invades Taiwan, it's Americas fault really?

Ridiculous.

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Post by jacquesm »

In a way this is good news. The more China overplays its hand in this undeclared economic war the more likely that Western countries will realize that they are making the exact same mistake with China that they have made with Russia. You can't play nice with dictatorships in the hope that your long term economic interests will be aligned to the point that the other party will be forced to continue to play nice. China has been playing the long game successfully so far, these kind of mistakes are good indicators of what's really going on underneath all that.

Just for a moment consider what it would mean if China arbitrarily stopped exporting consumer electronics or any other category of product and what the effect on the West would be. We really should pull back some of that manufacturing and deal with the resulting pollution closer to where the goods are consumed. And while we're at it we may be able to improve the quality a bit as well.

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