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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by jandrese »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #103
zsz wrote: post #69

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The Pacific, for one, meaning control of shipping lanes—and with these, economic/political leverage over Japan (which, as internal PLA documents for senior staff have already revealed, they intend to put to full use). Right now, China is boxed in from all sides by mostly U.S. allied countries, so breaking the "First Island Chain" encirclement is in reality a much bigger deal than the semiconductor industry, especiall…

Who do they plan to ship to using their newly-conquered shipping lanes, exactly? They will find that the rest of the civilized world can say "No" to China, just as it has to Russia.

Other authoritarian regimes. Autocrats gotta stick together. Besides, international sanctions don't last forever. Give it a decade and maybe everyone forgets. China is a gigantic market and that's a lot of political pressure. It's not a tiny island nation like Cuba.

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Post by gscott »

mullingitover wrote: post #107
sohex wrote: post #46

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What does China actually stand to gain by invading Taiwan? Any kind of real analysis based in anything other than nationalistic fervor or fear mongering seems to indicate that they're better served by the status quo.

One thing I learned recently was that when the Kuomintang fled to Taiwan, they took a vast trove of priceless Chinese antiquities with them. This has long been a sore spot for China, which makes the desire to annex Taiwan not simply a dollars and cents tactical goal but also a matter of national pride. It's like if we had a right-wing revolution in the US, and the current national government fled to Nova Scotia with…

They did take them and a good thing too. In the cultural revolution the CCP destroyed the priceless Chinese antiquities on the mainland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Olds

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

delfinom wrote: post #100
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #59

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> however I think that the Chinese government is totally capable of acting in a centralized way on a fixed target like mining Spend a couple weeks in China's hinterland and I'm sure that your opinion would change very quickly. There are good reasons semiconductors are concentrated in Beijing/Shanghai, but anything mining or natural resource related are going to be messy because China is a huge country and local gover…

Yea people literally treat China as a hivemind. The same goes for other countries too. It's absolutely bizarre and often some sort of weird US centric mindset. Part of it I even blame on US media, somehow, whenever there's something to discuss about in another country, even if it's some research breakthrough by a single individual presenting his work at a elementary school instead its "COUNTRY X CURES CANCER"

It isn't so different in how China thinks about the USA, even more so since our stark political divide is not familiar concept to many Chinese.

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Post by m3kw9 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #83
causi wrote: post #72

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China the nation stands to gain nothing. Chairman Xi stands to gain, or rather keep , a tremendous amount of power. Taiwan as an independent country flies in the face of party propaganda and official PRC policy.

This. Xi has made annexing Taiwan, essentially, a test of the CCP's legitimacy as ruler of China. If he fails, it's a huge loss of face, for him personally and for the CCP as a whole. Whether their power would survive that loss of face is not something they want to experimentally determine.

This is why is a long while before anything happens, they need to plan for every sanction, unlike russia, they seem to weather it ok, but it’s not very ok

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vkou wrote: post #25
moose_man wrote: post #20

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I mean, the US move was tit-for-tat for a decade of militarizing the South China Sea, threatening war against Taiwan, undermining the US economy through stealing trade secrets and sponsoring national champions.

Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.

> the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea

The U.S. doesn’t claim the sea as its sovereign waters. China does. (Which had the totally unpredictable effect of majorly pissing off every one of its maritime neighbours.)

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Post by lenkite »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #50
sohex wrote: post #46

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What does China actually stand to gain by invading Taiwan? Any kind of real analysis based in anything other than nationalistic fervor or fear mongering seems to indicate that they're better served by the status quo.

Possible access to, and control of, most of the world's top chip manufacturing node fabs. > other than nationalistic fervor And as you said, this. Jingoism can be used to bolster those in power. I don't know that Xi could use this boost at this point in his career, but as he seems to want to be Chairman-for-life, he may need it eventually.

Not really. The U.S. really has its blinkers fully on if folks think that controlling the node fabs is a reason for the Chinese invasion. They are not dumbos - they know the foundries will be destroyed immediately.

The reason is simple - China has always considered Taiwan part of China and the U.S. agreed to that position, before it first became "strategic ambiguity" and then it became "Taiwanese Independence" under President Biden.

Judge this honestly: Do you really think a super-power is going to accept a non-friendly island next door to it militarised by an opponent super-power allowing it to project power just on its border ? Do you think the U.S. would accept Chinese military aid to Cuba with the Cubans armed with Chinese weapons and the presence of Chinese troops in Cuba ? If you know an American military officer, ask this question to him and watch him laugh at you. The Chinese would be bombed within 48 hours - hell the ships would be taken out before military supplies even reached Cuba.

The U.S. could afford to play the game of asymmetric dominance because they were the sole super-power after the Cold War. That is no longer true.

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Post by antibasilisk »

vkou wrote: post #109
antibasilisk wrote: post #105

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Bitcoin doesn't rely on the internet, it's a nice to have.

In a world without internet, your paper wallet will be worth ~as much as my D&D character's inventory sheet. And probably less, because at least the character sheet is big enough that I can make a paper airplane out of it.

Why's that?

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Post by samus »

cm2012 wrote: post #12
edgyquant wrote: post #9

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It’s likely them firing back due to US tightening chip exports.

I think its for the best to find new rare earth sources outside of China now anyway, before any great power struggles.

There are lots of sources; it's just very environmentally damaging and/or expensive to extract them. And so far China could, for various reasons, do it way more cheaply than most others. Seems this is going to change...

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Post by NLPaep »

vkou wrote: post #25
moose_man wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the US move was tit-for-tat for a decade of militarizing the South China Sea, threatening war against Taiwan, undermining the US economy through stealing trade secrets and sponsoring national champions.

Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.

Which countries have been saying that about the US? Last I checked, many of China’s neighbors have been upset at China.

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Post by localplume »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #103
zsz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pacific, for one, meaning control of shipping lanes—and with these, economic/political leverage over Japan (which, as internal PLA documents for senior staff have already revealed, they intend to put to full use). Right now, China is boxed in from all sides by mostly U.S. allied countries, so breaking the "First Island Chain" encirclement is in reality a much bigger deal than the semiconductor industry, especiall…

Who do they plan to ship to using their newly-conquered shipping lanes, exactly? They will find that the rest of the civilized world can say "No" to China, just as it has to Russia.

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