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Post by Ntrails »

rocket_surgeron wrote: post #108
pnw wrote: post #78

Articles like this and reading about the FDA forcing drug manufacturers to replace pseudoephedrine (effective cold medicine) with phenylephrine (basically a placebo) really make me wonder about the intelligence level of the federal agencies. https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2015/10/14/uf-researchers-ask-fda-t...

Federal agencies do what they’re told. The restrictions on pseudoephedrine were mandated by Congress through the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 (passed as part of the patriot act) which followed various state legislatures’ passages of similar laws. The main driving force behind the law was Bush’s White House drug task force and several members of Congress. Federal agencies very, very, rarely solicit or p…

> Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 (passed as part of the patriot act)

This change was passed under special anti-terrorist powers? (Not US so possible misunderstood)

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Post by specialist »

pnw wrote: post #78

Articles like this and reading about the FDA forcing drug manufacturers to replace pseudoephedrine (effective cold medicine) with phenylephrine (basically a placebo) really make me wonder about the intelligence level of the federal agencies. https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2015/10/14/uf-researchers-ask-fda-t...

US bureaucracy is the cafeteria for our unending food fights, pitting Profit Motive against Moral Panic.

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Post by lazide »

Ntrails wrote: post #211
rocket_surgeron wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Federal agencies do what they’re told. The restrictions on pseudoephedrine were mandated by Congress through the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 (passed as part of the patriot act) which followed various state legislatures’ passages of similar laws. The main driving force behind the law was Bush’s White House drug task force and several members of Congress. Federal agencies very, very, rarely solicit or p…

> Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 (passed as part of the patriot act) This change was passed under special anti-terrorist powers? (Not US so possible misunderstood)

Not passed using special powers, included the huge ‘everything and the kitchen sink’ law passed to ‘fight terrorism’ after 9/11.

https://www.aclu.org/other/myths-and-realities-about-patriot...

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Post by romwell »

xenadu02 wrote: post #164

Remember last time we had a nationwide Adderall shortage it was deliberately caused by Shire to force people onto Vyvanse. Prior to Vyvanse Shire has signed a generic supplier agreement with TEVA so generic adderall was just the brand drug stamped differently. When they had Vyvanse ready they cancelled the agreement on short notice. That sent TEVA scrambling to stand up a production line. Standing up a C2 line is a p…

>Standing up a C2 line is a pain because of the DEA approvals and quotas

Why the hell do we have a quota on medication?

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Post by johnnyjeans »

rozal wrote: post #173
callalex wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adderall and Ritalin are not meth, and the fact that you consider them equivalent demonstrates your harmful lack of knowledge on this topic.

Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related. Methamphetamine is actually a derivative of amphetamine. So - you're wrong. And with that stupid insult you added at the end, you look even dumber.

> Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related.

In the field of biochemistry, this is virtually meaningless. A single substitution group is capable of producing wild changes in pharmacokinetics. The left and right-handed enantiomers of these molecules don't even act the same way in the body, and these aren't even positional isomers. The similarities with AMP and MAMP begin and end with being TAAR1 agonists. Off the top of my head, MAMP is also a potent agonist for sigma 1 & 2 receptors, and is generally more promiscuous.

Methamphetamine is a substituted amphetamine, not a "derivative". They're both simple substituted phenylethylamines, another TAAR1 agonist that is extremely prolific in your neurochemistry as we speak, and an incredibly diverse family of monoamines that range from lethal neurotoxin to serotonergic hallucinogen. The difference between the two is often as simple as a single atom moved 2 or 3 substitution points over. When you lack basic domain knowledge, please don't call other people dumb as you try (and fail) to correct them.

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Post by hammyhavoc »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #92
zenexer wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can and should—that’s their area of expertise. I’ve had pharmacists catch dangerous but obscure drug interactions that my doctors failed to catch, typically because the two interacting medications were prescribed by two different types of doctors. Even though both would’ve had access to the same medical records and my full medication list, and even though that data was being checked by a computer, mistakes happe…

That's the only happy case. I've had pharmacists deny me because I was paying for amphetamine without insurance. They said it was suspicious and refused to call my doctor to confirm that I wasn't some sort of criminal. That's the kind of unreasonable power that they shouldn't have. Finding bad drug combos? I don't think anyone has an issue with that. If you find a customer to be suspicious (I was wearing a black t-sh…

Oh no, not a black t-shirt.

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Post by romwell »

bitwize wrote: post #166
seattle_spring wrote: post #165

I find it fascinating how so many HN users ardently defend broad access to Adderall (which has tons of possible downsides, but also tons of positive use cases), but then claim that any and all uses of any and all opiates will lead to a deadly, incurable addiction, even though opiates also have tons of positive use cases too.

Here's a clue: compare the income and SES of opiate addicts vs Adderall addicts. Which socioeconomic group is the average Hackernews more likely to fall into?

"Adderall addicts"

Thanks for reminding me which medication[1] I forgot to take... again.

My ADHD[3] must've made me very addicted to Adderall, huh.

Perhaps consider that people with ADHD tend to thrive in creative professions, especially if they allow an opportunity to hyperfocus (the disorder is named awfully[2]), have somewhat flexible schedules, and excel in emergencies / high stress situations.

That's to stay, there's a correlation between people in tech (especially the startup scene) and ADHD people who benefit greatly from stimulants.

So here's a clue: people like you using phrases like Adderall addicts only perpetuates the stigma, and leads to the current situation with hidden limits and other shady bigotry.

Consider clicking the links below, and learning more about what ADHD is, and why and how medication helps people who have it. This is my personal experience, written up specifically for this purpose.

[1]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication

[2]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Awfully%20Described%20Human%20D...

[3]https://romankogan.net/adhd

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Post by romwell »

operatingthetan wrote: post #121
elcritch wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps for non-ADHD people. There's a common meme on ADHD channels about forgetting to take it and how hard it is to remember to take it daily. Some days you just don't want to take it and straightjacket your brain. For me getting off a regular dosage just caused a bit of extra sleepiness for a week or two. I drank like 2 redbulls a day for a bit. There is a bit of addictiveness because its nice to be able to functi…

>Its nothing nearly as addictive or habit forming as SSRI's that are given out like candy. SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all. As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants. >Perhaps for non-ADHD people. I've been diagnosed with ADHD twice (childhood and adult) and I can say from…

>Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding,

I have ADHD[1].

Taking 2x dosage of Adderall[3] makes me.. calmer and sleepy, and that's about it. As does too much coffee[2].

So much for "myth".

[1]https://romankogan.net/adhd

[2]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Coffee%20Calms%20Me%20Down

[3]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication

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Post by romwell »

rozal wrote: post #118
BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #58

for the past decade+ i’ve just lived with crippling adhd and dealt with it as best as i could. and boy do i mean crippling. i feel like dependency on a prescription stimulant is asking for trouble, at least for me personally.

Stop taking it. I’ve been diagnosed three times. At ages 6 , 18, and 23. Taking every drug. Adderall, vyvance, strattera, etc. The diagnosing is hogwash. There isn’t a scientific test. All ‘psychiatrists’ do is take you in for a visit or two, listen to your story, and write you the prescription. I used to be ‘unable to focus’, and took pills for it. I even see people addicted to them to the point they take sleeping m…

>The diagnosing is hogwash

No. Hogwash is what your comment is. Please stop spreading this falsehood.

My name is Roman Kogan, and I have ADHD[1].

[1]https://romankogan.net/adhd

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