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Re: Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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Post by rozal »

sgarland wrote: post #135
rozal wrote: post #118

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Stop taking it. I’ve been diagnosed three times. At ages 6 , 18, and 23. Taking every drug. Adderall, vyvance, strattera, etc. The diagnosing is hogwash. There isn’t a scientific test. All ‘psychiatrists’ do is take you in for a visit or two, listen to your story, and write you the prescription. I used to be ‘unable to focus’, and took pills for it. I even see people addicted to them to the point they take sleeping m…

> All ‘psychiatrists’ do is take you in for a visit or two Also, you know, multiple years of intense study. Does eating well and exercise matter? Of course. I feel way better when I'm in the gym regularly. It does not in any way fix the problem with my brain chemistry, though - medication does. You do you, but don't shit on people who've finally found a way to be normal.

Who is shitting on who? You or me? I am simply offering advice, and experience. Your reaction to it is peculiar.

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Post by reducesuffering »

disposition2 wrote: post #74

It’s nice to see some reporting on the potential causes of the issues folks are facing with filling Adderall prescriptions. I’ll provide an anecdotal observation… My SO has narcolepsy and uses Adderall to, quite literally, function. It’s unfortunate that this malady wasn’t referenced in the article but considering it affects (and I’m guessing here) less than 5% of the population, it makes sense. However (and I can ap…

If you ever have trouble accessing adderall, be sure to know that modafinil specifically treats narcolepsy and is easier to get both with and without a prescription.

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Post by rozal »

callalex wrote: post #32
westmeal wrote: post #8

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I suppose, but anecdotally I was told I have ADD by my family physician and was prescribed various stimulants including adderall and ritalin. I only stopped and got on a patch based medication when I was losing weight because of the amphetamines destroying my appetite and I was already a skinny bastard. The only difference I felt on the medication is that I was methed up. This could have been a misdiagnosis but the t…

Adderall and Ritalin are not meth, and the fact that you consider them equivalent demonstrates your harmful lack of knowledge on this topic.

Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related. Methamphetamine is actually a derivative of amphetamine.

So - you're wrong. And with that stupid insult you added at the end, you look even dumber.

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Post by rozal »

junofan wrote: post #133
operatingthetan wrote: post #132

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>Stimulant addiction is certainly real, but addiction recovery groups are obviously going to self-select for people that have/had a problem. Please re-read how I presented that link carefully. I've encountered several people here claiming that stimulants don't get you high and that they aren't addictive. The point of sending them to that sub was to demonstrate that others have a different experience. I'm not making a…

There’s really no link between your average person taking 5–10 mg of Adderall twice a day and a support group for people smoking upwards of a gram of meth a day.

The link is you degrade over 30 years instead of 3

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Post by rozal »

chrisco255 wrote: post #106
operatingthetan wrote: post #47

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>The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even…

Why are you conflating Adderall with all or any stimulants? Might as well throw in caffeine and sugar as things that "even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high". Not disagreeing with you wrt atomexetine but really should compare apples to apples.

Adderall is an amphetamine. It's a hard drug. And methamphetamine are closely related. Taking small doses of this, essentially macrodosing, it's not good in the long term.

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Post by rozal »

fzzzy wrote: post #91
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #14

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Methamphetamine can be prescribed for ADHD under the trade name Desoxyn, but it's less common because the side effects are worse.

Sure, but they said they had been prescribed Adderall and Ritalin, neither of which are Methamphetamine.

Methamphetamine is actually a derivative of amphetamine.... So it's pretty damn close, effects are similar too.

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Post by carlmr »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #157
the_mar wrote: post #124

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I mean, you do know that regular Tylenol still works as pain medication? You don't necessarily need narcotics for broken bones.

Have you suffered excruciating pain for multiple days in a row? Non stop? Like so bad that your muscles recoil in horror that then causes even more pain in a recursive loop of horror?

Actually yes, in Germany if you break your bones you get ibuprofen, if you get your wisdom teeth pulled, you get ibuprofen.

We don't have an opioid crisis anymore.

Pain is a fact of life. The problem in the US is that there's the expectation to work the next day. It's ok to be in pain, it's also ok to miss out on work.

If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore.

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Post by millimeterman »

operatingthetan wrote: post #153
millimeterman wrote: post #144

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> I've encountered several people here claiming that stimulants don't get you high and that they aren't addictive. Just because stimulants _can_ get you high and be addictive doesn't mean they will when taken appropriately. The only time I felt any kind of high from my ADHD medicine was the first day I took it. And I quite easily skip taking it on weekends, with the only side effect being that I browse the internet a…

>Just because stimulants _can_ get you high and be addictive doesn't mean they will when taken appropriately. I'm definitely calling out inappropriate usage, so I don't disagree. >Plus both cause slight dry mouth, appetite suppression that I have to forcibly eat through, and insomnia if I take them too late in the day. Not to mention the fundamental hassle of taking pills every day within narrow bands of time, someth…

> I'm happy to hear about your self control.

Actually, my self control is really quite bad. I'm terrible at doing difficult or unpleasant things and am very prone to low-effort, self-destructive hedonism. But as a result I have a very intense fear of addiction because I know I would struggle to pull myself back from it - I've never drank alcohol or done any recreational drugs for that exact reason. I was very hesitant about pursuing potentially lifelong medication, I requested the smallest possible starting dose from my doctor, and I don't intend to ever increase it beyond what I currently take (10mg/day).

On a philosophical level I still don't _like_ that I'm taking medication, but the benefits are significant enough that I tolerate it. And perhaps ironically, ADHD medicine actually helps me push past my lazy hedonism and do things that are necessary but dull.

(I would note that it doesn't make me _want_ to do boring things, nor do I think it's supposed to if dosed correctly. Even on medication, I'd still rather play video games than do work. But it at least makes it possible for me to sit down and work anyway. Whereas before, every day was an exercise in staring futilely at the screen while begging my brain to do literally anything.)

> I wish I were effective as a person naturally, I'm sure you can relate.

Very much so. I really wish my productivity wasn't dependent on medicine that

a) I need to remember to even take

b) Has annoying negative side effects

c) Is a controlled substance, with all the hassle that brings

But unfortunately, I guess that wasn't meant to be.

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Post by renewiltord »

carlmr wrote: post #177
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #157

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Have you suffered excruciating pain for multiple days in a row? Non stop? Like so bad that your muscles recoil in horror that then causes even more pain in a recursive loop of horror?

Actually yes, in Germany if you break your bones you get ibuprofen, if you get your wisdom teeth pulled, you get ibuprofen. We don't have an opioid crisis anymore. Pain is a fact of life. The problem in the US is that there's the expectation to work the next day. It's ok to be in pain, it's also ok to miss out on work. If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore.

Ibuprofen is a poor substitute for opioids. You can keep your life and I think I'll accept the opioid crisis then, if the trade off is what you say.

Some other people may die, but that is a price I'm willing to pay.

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Post by renewiltord »

pyuser583 wrote: post #44
slapshot wrote: post #11

After the pharmacies got sued for filling opiate prescriptions (which were written by abusive doctors, but the pharmacies are the ones who got sued)[1], is it any surprise that Xanax and Adderall are being limited? If pharmacies are at risk for filling prescriptions that are more complex than antibiotics, the end result is that they make it harder to fill them. [1] https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/finance/federal-jur…

My understanding is that pharmacists are highly trained care providers. They aren’t simply some retailer who fills a doctors order.

My experience has been nothing like this. Ideally, they'd be replaced by a vending machine.
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