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Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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Re: Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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I've wondered if Adderall could be popular in part because it can lead to weight loss. This wouldn't be why people would go on the medication, but why they would hesitate going off it. I know some people continued smoking after they wanted to stop because they feared gaining weight when they did.

Adderall is not (usually) prescribed for weight loss, it would be an off-label use as well. There are stimulant medications like adderall that are prescribed and work much better at appetite reduction than Adderall.

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Isn't that to be expected, though? There's plenty of people who wouldn't subject themselves to the ordeal of going to the doctors to pursue a diagnosis of an untreatable disease. You just suffer through it. In contrast, if there's a known treatment for it, then the reward (not having ADD symptoms) dramatically outweighs the cost (of drudging through doctors appointments). I'd bet the number of surgeries significantly…

I suppose, but anecdotally I was told I have ADD by my family physician and was prescribed various stimulants including adderall and ritalin. I only stopped and got on a patch based medication when I was losing weight because of the amphetamines destroying my appetite and I was already a skinny bastard. The only difference I felt on the medication is that I was methed up. This could have been a misdiagnosis but the t…

Adderall and Ritalin are not meth, and the fact that you consider them equivalent demonstrates your harmful lack of knowledge on this topic.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that to be expected, though? There's plenty of people who wouldn't subject themselves to the ordeal of going to the doctors to pursue a diagnosis of an untreatable disease. You just suffer through it. In contrast, if there's a known treatment for it, then the reward (not having ADD symptoms) dramatically outweighs the cost (of drudging through doctors appointments). I'd bet the number of surgeries significantly…

You underestimate college students because that is exactly what we did in college. People went to their doctor, faked hyperactivity, and were given adderall which they then sold to other students. I'm sure your ADD is horrible but try telling someone taking these drugs to stop. They won't. They depend on it too much and it's become part of their personality, and their belief that it is what they need. Just. Like. Oxy…

Sounds "Just. Like. Oxy." in that people who have no idea what they're talking about go based on their gut feelings as if science and medicine should yield to their imagination:

I mean I'm sure your diabetes is horrible but try telling someone taking insulin to stop. They won't. They depend on not being in a diabetic coma too much! And not slipping into a diabetic coma becomes a part of their personality.

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ADHD doesn't mean hyperactivity despite hyperactivity being in the name. For me not taking ADHD medication results in what your proclivity for drug abuse was gaining you: the super human ability to focus on one thing for hours and hours at a time.

The difference is when the drugs you were abusing wore off, you'd go back to being able to do other things. I'd just keep being prisoner of whatever I'm doing indefinitely. It's an awful feeling to know you have to do something else, you really need to switch tasks right now, but it's like you're a prisoner in your own mind, just stuck.

So subjecting myself to that isn't really something I'd willingly... is that surprising?

I mean I've personally requested lower doses of medications, leaned towards less "intrusive" delivery methods like metabolized extended release versions, and stopped when I was injured and unable to do much (being stuck mentally wasn't a big deal when I was physically stuck)

But even if someone else dealing with this doesn't want to do that, I don't blame them. It's an awful disease that deserves proper treatment. Some dumb drug abusing kid isn't going to change that.

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Isn't that to be expected, though? There's plenty of people who wouldn't subject themselves to the ordeal of going to the doctors to pursue a diagnosis of an untreatable disease. You just suffer through it. In contrast, if there's a known treatment for it, then the reward (not having ADD symptoms) dramatically outweighs the cost (of drudging through doctors appointments). I'd bet the number of surgeries significantly…

You underestimate college students because that is exactly what we did in college. People went to their doctor, faked hyperactivity, and were given adderall which they then sold to other students. I'm sure your ADD is horrible but try telling someone taking these drugs to stop. They won't. They depend on it too much and it's become part of their personality, and their belief that it is what they need. Just. Like. Oxy…

That's only true if you squint real hard. Might as well say people are addicted to oxygen or food if you're going to oversimplify that far. Plenty of people are able to learn meaningful coping strategies for their ADHD and choose to go off medication (especially those medicated from a young age), or at least off of stimulant medication, choosing instead to treat their disease with non-stimulant options. You'd also have to ignore the fact that they're, umm, different drugs, and do different things. The pain relief granted by opiates, along with them being chemically addictive and the marketing put forth by Perdue Pharma leading to addiction, for which they've paid billion of dollars in fines. There have been no such issues for AmerisourceBergen Corp., Cardinal Health Inc. and McKesson Corp.

The thing about the drugs being different is the results on people's lives. Off medication and unmanaged, people suffering from ADHD go into depressive slumps of executive dysfunction and are unable to perform their EDLs (EveryDay Living activities; showering, putting on clothes, feeding one's self, using the bathroom, exercising), never mind things like cleaning, holding down a job or paying rent. Most are able to keep at the same dosage for the majority of their lives.

That's not what people happens to people chemically addicted to Oxy. They need more and more to get the same effect, and chase after it to the point that many have become hooked on heroin, absent a prescribed supply of Oxycontin. While on the drug their lives turn to shambles, getting fired from work and losing their jobs and then their housing and end up living on the street.

That difference is entirely material to the discussion. If people are able to make more of themselves on a particular medication, society is able to accept that a medication is good, rather than bad. That may be a tough pill for some to swallow, especially those that want to reject traditional societal norms for judging a person's life. Another tough pill is that the idea that Adderall blunts a person should really be considered a fringe belief these days, given how many people use Adderall to better their lives.

Are their people that abuse Adderall? Sure. Are their many more people that don't, and live much richer lives thanks to prescribed medication from a doctor? Absolutely.

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post #31

I've wondered if Adderall could be popular in part because it can lead to weight loss. This wouldn't be why people would go on the medication, but why they would hesitate going off it. I know some people continued smoking after they wanted to stop because they feared gaining weight when they did.

Adderall is not (usually) prescribed for weight loss, it would be an off-label use as well. There are stimulant medications like adderall that are prescribed and work much better at appetite reduction than Adderall.

Yeah, I added the second sentence to clarify. I'm sure people don't go on it primarily to lose weight, but I could see how it would become a one-way ratchet if going off it causes weight gain.

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ADHD is an ADA-recognized disability. I doubt you’d support secret limits on mobility scooter orders because college kids sometimes steal golf carts. Why is this different?

Because Adderall is 100% pure speed. A handful of Adderalls is more fun than a bag of cocaine (which is going to be more like 5% purity and adulterated with god knows what).

Maybe if you stop taking Adderall for fun you won't need to compare it to your bags of cocaine.

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I've wondered if Adderall could be popular in part because it can lead to weight loss. This wouldn't be why people would go on the medication, but why they would hesitate going off it. I know some people continued smoking after they wanted to stop because they feared gaining weight when they did.

Probably more so because even at therapeutic doses it gives a mild high and is addictive.

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Good comment, but Adderall is Amphetamine, not Methamphetamine. Big difference.

Methamphetamine is a schedule 2 drug and prescribed in the US, though significantly more rarely than amphetamine. Is there a difference between oral consumption of amphetamine and methamphetamine dosed out in correct proportion to the salts in question? Maybe, but certainly not that "big" of a difference.

It's a pretty huge difference. Desoxyn's focus improvement comes with a full-body euphoric rush, which while fun and all, dramatically increases its abuse potential and addictiveness. Amphetamine, in contrast, is just makes it easier to focus. Properly dosed, there's no rush, no euphoria, just slanted walls on the sides of your train of thought.

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After the pharmacies got sued for filling opiate prescriptions (which were written by abusive doctors, but the pharmacies are the ones who got sued)[1], is it any surprise that Xanax and Adderall are being limited? If pharmacies are at risk for filling prescriptions that are more complex than antibiotics, the end result is that they make it harder to fill them. [1] https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/finance/federal-jur…

> is it any surprise that Xanax and Adderall are being limited? That depends on who is doing the limiting — if the pharmacy corporations are self-limiting then I would understand they are limiting their potential exposure/liability to whatever risk level they are comfortable with. I’ll still be able to find my necessary drugs at another chain which doesn’t limit. If the government is doing the limiting, then yes, tha…

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This seems just a little bit of a conspiracy theory but, giving it credence I would say that it might be because the drugs are ridiculously overprescribed. Particularly for those who just don't need it. In the case of ADD, once there was a medication for it the diagnosis took off like a rocket. Sort of like oxycodone..

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I've also noticed family members benefit greatly from SSRIs. The main skeptic point I have is I've also seen them absolutely get wrecked by what appears to them as supply chain failures (usually because they're unable to get a meeting with a physician in time for refills and no physician will grant them a "bridge" to the next appointment). Of course as we saw during COVID, supply chain failures of all sorts are possible even when society has not collapsed.

From the outside one of the biggest concerns I have is one of these supply chain failures will put them in even worse place than had they never taken them, as I've personally seen their withdrawal symptoms look far worse than their unmedicated baseline. It seems to be a "better day to day" with the added risk of extreme withdrawal and associated risks during these few in a lifetime supply failures.

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