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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Do you think that the stated motivation for banning chatGPT is just a veil?

It's BigVPN pulling the strings in the background. \s

Thanks. I was wondering whether there were other ideological motives behind the ban other than the official "privacy protection," as Italy is governed by the right. They just banned artificial meat for what seems to be a host of ideological grounds typical of the right.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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I really don't get this kind of bans. When I connect to a service in the US, my bits are traveling there. Italy "banning" ChatGPT (whatever it means) is like preventing me from getting high in Amsterdam because, as an Italian citizen, I should not be allowed to.. Never got it, and never will.

It prohibits bits from "Open"AI from coming to you in Italy. The same way as it bans drugs been sent from the Netherlands to you in Italy. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but it is not incomprehensible either, actually it is quite common in many countries for different reasons (data compliance, copyrights, political reasons etc). The internet gives us an impression of a unified world, but we still live in a world divided in nation states that fight each other and corporations that exploit people and destroy the planet for making profit.

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It's not extraterritorial. If an international company wants to sell goods or services in a country, it must abide by the country's laws.

Nope. If I want to sell data in the EU, I can. I'm not subject to their laws unless I have a presence there. GDPR tries to change that. See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext...

Why is shipping data different? If a certain drug is illegal in the country but not yours do you think you should be allow to sell and ship the drug over?

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While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

>It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great engineers Is it? It is probably impossible to find enough data to train an LLM without accidentally including at least one piece of PII. Even manage it, how would you ever prove it?

How many Italian companies could actually afford the training?

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While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

>It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great engineers Is it? It is probably impossible to find enough data to train an LLM without accidentally including at least one piece of PII. Even manage it, how would you ever prove it?

why would they not use PII? It doesnt send that data to the US anyway

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Incidentally, immediately after reading the comments here I went to Ars and saw this, which when you read it fits perfectly : https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/these-angry-dutc... Just one sample quote, but it's worth reading it all: > The dispute over nitrogen permits has put Microsoft’s data center developments in direct opposition to an increasingly powerful farming community. Earlier this month, a new p…

> “Of course, we need some data centers,” he says. But he wants us to talk about restructuring the way the Internet works so they are not so necessary. I'm waiting for them to suggest it should be moved to the cloud rather than put in data centres. This is a symptom of widespread technological illiteracy, globally (at least in the west)

Ah - now I actually have to come to his defense. Because I only quoted the part immediately after this one and thought it was enough:

> Ruiter says he’s continued to talk about data centers because he wants to remind people that “the cloud” they’ve come to rely on isn’t just an ethereal concept—it’s something that has a physical manifestation, here in the farmland of North Holland. He worries that growing demand for data storage from people, and also, increasingly, AI, will just mean more and more hyperscale facilities.

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>It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great engineers Is it? It is probably impossible to find enough data to train an LLM without accidentally including at least one piece of PII. Even manage it, how would you ever prove it?

How many Italian companies could actually afford the training?

many? it doesnt cost that much

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Singapore has to be one of the worst places to live. I don't care how 'nice' their society might seem, their overstep is too steep by far. "Custom officers can subject travellers to a drug screening test at the point of entry to Singapore. If you test positive for drugs, you can be arrested and prosecuted, even if the drugs were consumed prior to your arrival in the country." That's insanity.

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I have always slightly suspected that Singapore keeps its laws tighter than they would otherwise prefer specifically to prevent half of Asia from trying to move there.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

"Nobody has even tried GPT" is as meaningless as possible. Not sure if this is satire, but exactly this is a kind of cargo-culting. 99% of persons are better off not "trying ChatGPT". Your country is very lucky to have its own high-quality farmland and the culture around it. The food there is of such a quality that "countries with like 5000% more arable land" will never have a chance at of having. See the US, for all…

Don't worry this is just another European trait: complain about everything, the neighbor's grass is greener etc., etc.

I am European, and I just proved it by complaining about complainers :)

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

"this is obviously a dumb move" I'm going to need a citation for that. Yea, technology needs to be able to progress but ChatGPT looks poised to be the next generation in mass spam distribution and misinformation. I think it's always a good idea to embrace innovation in technology while also looking at what downsides that innovation may have - in this particular case if Italy stands alone their decision will be extremely ineffective (it might look prescient in hindsight but that's not worth much)... but the world taking a serious moment to consider how this will impact society doesn't sound like an obviously dumb move. We were pretty alright yesterday before this thing existed, this is a big thing, how will that impact us?
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