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Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Zurrrrr »

th18row wrote: post #205
jacquesm wrote: post #180

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> That's nonsense. There is nothing stopping EU citizens from buying something via my US based website while they are in the EU, and I have no obligation to have any kind of presence in the EU. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking the law. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/dp-at-the-end-of-the-tr... https://gdpr-info.eu/art-27-gdpr/ You seem to be arguing from how you believe it should work or how yo…

He's right though, the EU can do nothing in that case. Quite literally nothing. There is no law to abide because you don't "care" about it and there are no consequences. Practicality > useless laws

Yup, that's the whole point.

The Deloitte page I linked to gives a Chinese web store located in China with no EU presence as an example.

It's bonkers that the EU thinks they can enforce their laws in a situation like that. But then, that's why it hasn't been tested.

It's basically a 'feel good' law with no teeth (at least the extraterritorial aspects).

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by pmontra »

quadcore wrote: post #30

[chatgpt translation] Stop ChatGPT until it complies with privacy regulations. The Guarantor for the protection of personal data has imposed, with immediate effect, the temporary limitation of data processing of Italian users by OpenAI, the US company that developed and manages the platform. The Authority has simultaneously opened an investigation. ChatGPT, the most famous among relational artificial intelligence sof…

The most important point seems to be "the absence of a legal basis justifying the massive collection and retention of personal data, for the purpose of "training" the algorithms"

IMHO that would block every LLM.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by zinekeller »

mattrighetti wrote: post #204
gpgn wrote: post #189

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What pisses me off is that some legitimate websites like project goutenberg are all blocked by my Internet provider in Italy and I have to go through a VPN to access them. Same for scribd, vdoc, libgen and so on.

Do yourself a favour and install AdGuardHome/PiHole in your LAN so that you don't have to connect to a VPN each time, that way DNS is going to work and return a valid response back to every single device that you own in the network.

No dice if you're a Vodafone customer, they run DPI so that they block specific IPs (or even specific domains if the IP is shared).

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Zurrrrr »

th18row wrote: post #199
jacquesm wrote: post #93

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> I'll wait to see how it holds up when the EU tries to enforce it against a US website with no presence of any kind in the EU. That's called moving the goalposts. But even in that case: the EU has a lot of power and no matter what you are still required to have a legal presence in the EU if you want to serve EU customers. Breaking the law is generally not the best course of action for any company that wants to stay…

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Exactly. The only thing the EU can do, barring specific agreements with countries that would allow for more, is bar service from a website to the Eu region.

And then if EU users want to, they will just bypass that with a VPN...and then the law is still being violated, and still can't be enforced.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by salawat »

golemotron wrote: post #100
quonn wrote: post #5

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This 4% rule really has teeth. It is even more interesting for Microsoft, where this would probably eat most of the profit.

I wonder why corporations that don't have a physical presence in other jurisdictions play along. Technically, a country can block services they don't like. It really is their problem if their citizens are choosing to use a foreign service. Is there a legal reason to play along? Trade agreement violation? Or, is it just a matter of wanting to keep those markets.

Corporations are suffered to exist at the whim of the State. Without corporate recognition, personal liability snaps into sharp relief, and suddenly guys with guns may end up knocking at your door for God knows what. Also, yes. No one wants to lock themselves out of a market over what could be easily remedied through implementation of a compliance program. That's leaving money on the table.

In short, walk with care on the feet of Caesar. For you are small, and once roused to anger, said train has not been known to quickly brake.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by nforgerit »

Gosh. Only about 10 years ago I used to be a convinced European from Germany. The last couple of years I started having my doubts that the EU will ever find its own legit style of handling tech concerns. Everything is crumbling and we still see deeply arrogant leadership seemingly trying to bs their way through the current turmoil. And what do they do? Regulate ChatGPT, try to introduce mass-surveillance through #chatcontrol and secretly apply Palantir tech in police depts.

I don't want an incompetent patronizing government. I want competent leadership in politics and business that is able to set up a culture of innovation.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Zurrrrr »

chatmasta wrote: post #169
thefz wrote: post #153

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Nope, it's enforcing an EU directive. Read up GDPR. Italy is actually trying to protect its citizens.

If I were an Italian citizen I wouldn't feel very protected if I were blocked from accessing software I wanted to use.

Nothing is more freeing than having Nanny making all your decisions for you.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by SanderNL »

cft wrote: post #202
nih0 wrote: post #148

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I get you, feels like our politicians dont understand anything but sometimes I enjoy living somewhere where companies cant just do anything.

I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change.

I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even tried GPT. I get pitchforked even in my own country for saying we need to stop focusing on breeding cows and get (and stay) better at real tech.

Then again, my social skills are not really up there..

EDIT: "real tech", I know. Simplification. I know it's hard and I know it's important we eat, but countries with like 5000% more arable land can provide for us.

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