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Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by KennyBlanken »

tablespoon wrote: post #272
SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

> 'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' > So do (certain) books. Minors are typically given books that are appropriate to "their degree of development and self-awareness."

I see you haven't been to a Sunday school or bible study group.

Rape, incest, murder, maiming, slaughter, torture...

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by illiarian »

swores wrote: post #351
iso1631 wrote: post #331

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> And from what I perceive, there's now cookie banners everywhere while my personal data is still going into opaque silos. Those cookie banners are either non-compliant with the regulations or meaningless. Why people add them is anyones guess.

No that's not true, though it does get spouted very often in online comments. It's true that a cookie banner (notification only) does not equal "the site can now do whatever it wants and is GDPR compliant thanks to the banner". However, cookie notification banners are nothing to do with GDPR! They are to comply with an earlier (but still active after GDPR) bit of legislation, the 2002 'ePrivacy Directive' (sometimes…

> However, cookie notification banners are nothing to do with GDPR! They are to comply with an earlier (but still active after GDPR) bit of legislation, the 2002 'ePrivacy Directive' (sometimes known as the "cookies law").

The cookie banners people are now complaining about are literally companies skirting or otherwise breaking GDPR. Because they now have to ask for your consent before the siphon your data and sell it wholesale to the highest bidder.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by SanderNL »

hnuser847 wrote: post #369
SanderNL wrote: post #278

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This is fair and I agree. GPT is way too fast. My point was more about stuff happening in timespans measured in decades that they still think is too fast.

Can you help me understand what exactly is so scary about ChatGPT? The only places where I see this hype/fear around ChatGPT is here on Hacker News. I've played around with it a bit and the magic wore off in less than 10 minutes. I asked it to generate code for a sudoku solver and the result it gave me was perfect. I then asked it to write code for a crossword puzzle generator and gave me a word search puzzle generat…

The first car was slow too. The first computers were awful and nothing like today. There's countless examples like this. Lots of people are showing disturbing levels of lack of vision.

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Post by illiarian »

nforgerit wrote: post #356
stametseater wrote: post #344

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The people on this site who criticize the GDPR don't even know what the GDPR does, including you. Cookie banners aren't from the GDPR, they're from the ePrivacy Directive as amended in 2009. I don't understand how you people even mix this up, the cookie banners appeared several years before the GDPR existed. It's like this site is a big pity party of surveillance capitalists whining into an echo chamber, remixing and…

Maybe (I'm too lazy to check this out). But from what I remember only after GDPR those banners went viral in clumsy, annoying, not useful and frequently unnecessary implementations. Maybe it's because of hefty fines introduced in the context of GDPR. My point is: Did it help fighting privacy issues? I don't think so. Did it harm? I do think so. Will it ever be somehow measured for its effectiveness and be taken back/…

> GDPR those banners went viral in clumsy, annoying, not useful and frequently unnecessary implementations. Maybe it's because of hefty fines introduced in the context of GDPR.

The problem is that not enough fines have been meted out. Had they been, we'd see less of the unuseful, annoying, unnecessary banners. Because they are this way on purpose: to make you "consent" to wholesale collection and trading of your data.

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Post by ben_w »

ur-whale wrote: post #358
nforgerit wrote: post #218

Gosh. Only about 10 years ago I used to be a convinced European from Germany. The last couple of years I started having my doubts that the EU will ever find its own legit style of handling tech concerns. Everything is crumbling and we still see deeply arrogant leadership seemingly trying to bs their way through the current turmoil. And what do they do? Regulate ChatGPT, try to introduce mass-surveillance through #cha…

>Only about 10 years ago I used to be a convinced European from Germany. Hear, hear. How many "accept all cookies" button did you have to press today?

Far too many.

Not, however, on Hacker News, because Hacker News isn't using data for more than actual functionality, and you don't need to ask permission in that case.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by bl4ckm0r3 »

dane-pgp wrote: post #305
bl4ckm0r3 wrote: post #111

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it's just the lack of a policy on user data collection that the users can read, the chance to ask to get their data removed from the training data - gdpr - and an age verification for the users.

> age verification for the users. Do you need to verify your age to perform a Google search? I think "age verification" is just another "think of the children" ploy to force all websites to check their users' government IDs (starting with sites run by people whose politics are different from those of the government that's enacting the ploy).

I personally don't know if you can be exposed to information not suited to underage kids in chatgpt (which was the reasoning of the regulator), and in general am not a huge fan of putting rules in place because it's the internet...you can always work around blocks, but at least in google you have safesearch which hides some content before the kid becomes too smart to find it anyway.

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Post by iso1631 »

SanderNL wrote: post #263
Aromasin wrote: post #244

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About once a week I consider dropping out of the tech industry and becoming a politician just so I don't have to sit and watch by the sidelines as incompetent, ignorant people, who studied humanities with not a drop a technical aptitude, bullshit their way through funding and regulating technology. They are never well informed enough to come up with any sort or coherent solution, because they're barely capable in act…

To be fair I think being a good politician requires a lot of competency. Way more than we have available. Not unlike software, the field is riddled with people that do a minimally-OK job, but couldn't actually care less about what they are doing or are so incompetent they cannot even see it. In a soft setting you can get really far like that. Tech usually stops you sooner, because things just don't work if you mess u…

> The leaders we look at are just incompetent.

I think the problem with democracy is we ultimately interview and select leaders whos skills are in persuading a population, but we don't generally need those leaders to actually take the job, we need people who are good at distilling information and making appropriate judgements for the benefit of the population

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Post by piuantiderp »

SanderNL wrote: post #220
cft wrote: post #202

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I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

"Nobody has even tried GPT" is as meaningless as possible. Not sure if this is satire, but exactly this is a kind of cargo-culting. 99% of persons are better off not "trying ChatGPT".

Your country is very lucky to have its own high-quality farmland and the culture around it. The food there is of such a quality that "countries with like 5000% more arable land" will never have a chance at of having. See the US, for all its land, most of the food is low in nutrition or outright toxic.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by cpa »

SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

I lack details but most probably their grief is that OpenAI has not put in place reasonable* safeguards to check if the user is minor or not.

* for some value of reasonable -_-

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by illiarian »

atsjie wrote: post #114
polycaster wrote: post #107

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Why does it need to be different from Google in order to act against it?

If they are the same, why hasn't Google been banned in Italy all these years? There must be something fundamentally different between the two, and I'm not sure what it is.

Google has been fined several times already, and at least try to pretend they care about this. At the very least their cookie banners now have a reject button, they delete user data, and there have been some other changes.
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