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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by xdennis »

dsabanin wrote: post #25
gumballindie wrote: post #9

Now do protecting our IP and content from unwanted openai scraping. Just because a blog or book is out in the open it doesn't mean a company should immediately integrate it in their product - which is what open ai does. Pay for it and if i agree on the price I shall let you use my content.

If you put it out in the open – someone might read it. If they read it – they may remember it and retell it later or use it in their works. That someone may or may not be a human person. If you want to get paid for the work – don't put it out in the open.

Your argument applies just as well to copying any book and selling it. But that's considered piracy and illegal. But when American tech giants copy it's legal. It should be the same for everyone.

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Post by aydyn »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #186
nemo44x wrote: post #158

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> Other ways of measuring “happiness” are bullshit as cultures are different. Suicide is a great metric for happiness. Suicide rate doesn't measure anything except suicide rate. The happiness index and other studies are very thorough in what they measure, and choose things common to all cultures. Bizarre to be defending a totalitarian regime because you have no crime. I guess you really think the means justify the en…

Singapore is totalitarian? needs to be on a human rights list? Is one of the worst places to live?

whats with this reddit-tier hyperbole? These comments are seriously out of touch, it comes off as trolling.

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Post by TheFattestNinja »

birracerveza wrote: post #249
unixgoddess wrote: post #232

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wikipedia is full of amateur dick pics (vulvas too!) but perhaps the difference is that chatgpt could tell them stuff like "yeah, you should kill yourself"?

lmao please, I can't even get ChatGPT to be a decent DM for a DnD bot because "killing that orc would hurt the orc's feelings" or some bs like that.

Except.. it happened? It was big on the news in Italy recently. Not chatGPT "per se" but a similar startup/app "ai companion" that was meant to be "anything you want it to be" was recorded: - Eliciting sexually explicit images from minors (by mimicking flirting with your partner) - Justify child molestation (along the lines "if your dad does things to your sister your should listen to him because the adults know better") - Encourage suicide (along the lines of "if you think this will make you happy by stopping you from suffering you should do it"). - And other fun stuff.

That case was big on the public opinion in Italy, and quite recent. No doubt it affected this case too.

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Post by isp »

revelio wrote: post #98
isp wrote: post #77

Good summary: https://www.politico.eu/article/italian-privacy-regulator-ba... The key issue under GDPR seems to be that OpenAI: > lacks a legal basis justifying "the mass collection and storage of personal data ... to 'train' the algorithms" of ChatGPT" My reading: OpenAI could comply with this by modifying ChatGPT to give users protected by GDPR a clear choice to opt-in vs opt-out on their chats being used as future…

They already stopped using chats as training material for everyone anyway, so if that's the basis for the ban then it's already wrong. But what do you expect? This is exactly the kind of problem people have constantly pointed out with the GDPR. It's vague, has many unintended consequences, massively empowers low-competence regulatory regimes and constantly interferes with innovation and new tech. The EU will continue…

> They already stopped using chats as training material for everyone anyway

From the latest ChatGPT General FAQ [0]:

> Will you use my conversations for training? Yes. Your conversations may be reviewed by our AI trainers to improve our systems.

[0] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6783457-chatgpt-general-...

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Post by xdennis »

vitehozonage wrote: post #119
swader999 wrote: post #52

They are kind of late to the game in this. Italians have already given their souls to Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Twitter, and so on. So have we all.

Very strange to me that a chatbot is the turning point for many people to start caring about their data and ethics

Better late than never?

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Post by starkd »

SanderNL wrote: post #220
cft wrote: post #202

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I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

But don't they also export much of that agricultural output? Maybe the citizens do not eat it, but they sure are dependent on its exportation. Not like farmers can easily switch to something else.

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Post by [deleted] »

jodrellblank wrote: post #300
throwaway50601 wrote: post #289

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Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning Here's some more contemporary links: https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/add... https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/fla... Wh…

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Post by nosianu »

SanderNL wrote: post #220
cft wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

Incidentally, immediately after reading the comments here I went to Ars and saw this, which when you read it fits perfectly:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/these-angry-dutc...

Just one sample quote, but it's worth reading it all:

> The dispute over nitrogen permits has put Microsoft’s data center developments in direct opposition to an increasingly powerful farming community. Earlier this month, a new political force, called the Farmer Citizen Movement (BBB), did so well in provincial elections, it became the joint-largest party in the Dutch Senate. The party, which emerged in response to the nitrogen crisis, also has strong views on data centers. “We think the data center is unnecessary,” says Ingrid de Sain, farmer turned party leader of the BBB in North Holland, referring to the Microsoft complex. “It is a waste of fertile soil to put the data centers boxes here. The BBB is against this.”

And another one because it shows some of the thoughts:

> “Of course, we need some data centers,” he says. But he wants us to talk about restructuring the way the Internet works so they are not so necessary. “We should be having the philosophical debate of what do we do with all our data? I don’t think we need to store everything online in a central place.”

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Post by dylan604 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #300
throwaway50601 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning Here's some more contemporary links: https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/add... https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/fla... Wh…

The fact that something called "flavouring substance" is a thing makes me shake my head.

>Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public?

Are these the same regulators that allowed Olestra to be used? sidebar--just to check the spelling of Olestra, I used the Mac's force click dictionary access: "Origin 1980s: from (p)ol(y)est(e)r + the suffix -a." WTF? Seriously? We dropped some letters from polyester and called it food ingredient?

Yeah, sounds like some "regulations will save us" doesn't work as expected.

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