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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by apexalpha »

sarusso wrote: post #10

I really don't get this kind of bans. When I connect to a service in the US, my bits are traveling there. Italy "banning" ChatGPT (whatever it means) is like preventing me from getting high in Amsterdam because, as an Italian citizen, I should not be allowed to.. Never got it, and never will.

>I really don't get this kind of bans.

In economics this is called "createtive destruction" [0]. Basically it's the freedom of messing up someone else's business by creating something better. Think e-mail destroying most jobs for mail delivery or digital photos destroying photo development shops.

One of the hallmarks of lesser developed economies is that they do not allow these kind of things. What happens in stead is that the people that have a lot to lose will use their political power to stop the innovation from happening.

The more common practise this is in a country, the less developed the economy is usually. Because this partly destroys the incentive to innovate.

So basically a lot of powerful people in Italy are pretty scared for their jobs / income because of the rapid innovation in Large Language Models.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction

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Post by nivenkos »

cft wrote: post #202
nih0 wrote: post #148

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I get you, feels like our politicians dont understand anything but sometimes I enjoy living somewhere where companies cant just do anything.

I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

Yeah everything is geared towards the aristocracy - like VAT and Income Tax are insanely high meanwhile there is often no land value tax, property tax, inheritance tax, wealth tax or gift tax at all.

And even capital gains are taxed far less than income.

I think it's more that the US was made up of immigrants so it got to start anew without a massive established aristocracy and monarchies.

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Post by lib-dev »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #188
vincnetas wrote: post #174

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Had to read about suicides in Singapore. I could not believe this, but apparently suicides were ILEGAL in Singapore until recently : Suicide was decriminalised in Singapore with the passing of the Criminal Law Reform Bill on 6 May 2019. Before that, Section 309 of the Penal Code stated that "Whoever attempts to commit suicide, and does any act towards the commission of such offence, shall be punished with imprisonmen…

Honestly Singapore belongs on some human rights watch lists or something. That's deplorable.

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by xdennis »

nemo44x wrote: post #120
Zurrrrr wrote: post #87

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Singapore has to be one of the worst places to live. I don't care how 'nice' their society might seem, their overstep is too steep by far. "Custom officers can subject travellers to a drug screening test at the point of entry to Singapore. If you test positive for drugs, you can be arrested and prosecuted, even if the drugs were consumed prior to your arrival in the country." That's insanity.

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> Reportedly some of the happiest people on earth.

People who live in countries were you get executed on a whim tend to say that.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by seanw444 »

qalmakka wrote: post #229
n0mad01 wrote: post #127

Is Italy looking for the quick buck?

It has less to do with money and more to do with competence. As an Italian I've learnt the hard way how ignorant and competent there Italian government is from a technical standpoint.

I'm pretty sure everybody says this about their country. I've noticed it's kind of like how everyone thinks their state's/country's weather is uniquely unpredictable.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by SanderNL »

tablespoon wrote: post #279
SanderNL wrote: post #275

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That's right and then they go and find stuff that is not appropriate. This is not about what they are given, it's about what they have access to.

> That's right and then they go and find stuff that is not appropriate. But most kids don't manage to do that for some time. School libraries (typically) don't have porn in them, and internet access is often supervised or limited. The root of this thread quoted the article selectively. The full quote is: > It added OpenAI does not verify the age of users and exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared t…

Verifying by asking? ..

I understand it's important, but I hate bureaucratic "solutions" that are technically correct but don't actually fix the issue.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Jensson »

killerstorm wrote: post #227
riffraff wrote: post #198

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> How is this specific to OpenAI? it's not, that's why there are consent thingies on websites (e.g. when you could not sign up for instagram as a minor). I don't know what strange thing the regulator found in chatgpt, but it's pretty standard.

> it's not, that's why there are consent thingies on websites Are there consent thingies on Google and Wikipedia? > when you could not sign up for instagram as a minor Sign up to post stuff. There are normally no "consent thingies" for looking. If a parent doesn't want a minor to look at stuff they should either not give them access or limit it.

> Are there consent thingies on Google and Wikipedia?

Google has, just tested. Wikipedia hasn't. This website hacker news don't have one either and doesn't need one. Its when you want to monetize the data that you need one, Google monetizes data, wikipedia and hacker news doesn't.

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Post by nforgerit »

ddren wrote: post #257
nforgerit wrote: post #218

Gosh. Only about 10 years ago I used to be a convinced European from Germany. The last couple of years I started having my doubts that the EU will ever find its own legit style of handling tech concerns. Everything is crumbling and we still see deeply arrogant leadership seemingly trying to bs their way through the current turmoil. And what do they do? Regulate ChatGPT, try to introduce mass-surveillance through #cha…

What is the issue with the GDPR? If OpenAI is violating the GDPR, why should European governments ignore it?

In the beginning of GDPR I remember me sitting in annoying meetings with lawyers who essentially became Product Owners and designers while I still thought the GDPR-Framework makes sense in itself and might help in practice.

But boy was I wrong. The people criticizing GDPR were right: Tech giants were able to cope better with the regulations while smaller domestic companies were put under an additional burden of excessive bureaucracy. And from what I perceive, there's now cookie banners everywhere while my personal data is still going into opaque silos.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by throwaway50601 »

seanhunter wrote: post #276
simonh wrote: post #262

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It was done massively in the UK, there were many cases of prominent criticism of "EU regulations" that we'd either actively championed, or were optional and chosen to adopt, or that we had actually oped out of anyway.

As an example, Boris Johnson infamously claimed in the runup to brexit that "Prawn Cocktail" flavour crisps were being banned by the EU. It turned out that the UK had simply forgotten to submit this flavour to the list of flavourings when it was being compiled. This error was quietly corrected (by the UK).[1] [1] From the FT but here's a non-paywalled link https://archive.is/p4H9X

Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by thefz »

quadcore wrote: post #178
thefz wrote: post #90

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That is taking conspirationism to a whole new level.

Okay lets take an example. Do you think the Vatican likes chatgpt? Lets ask chatgpt what he think about sex: "It is important to protect oneself during sexual activities to prevent the transmission of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and unwanted pregnancies. Using condoms or other forms of contraception can greatly reduce the risk of transmission and unplanned pregnancy. Additionally, it is important to commun…

This is information you could find way before ChatGPT, it's nothing new. Internet is full of porn since its inception as well. So?

Besides, the Vatican has zero weight in decisions taken by the EU.

You are dreaming.

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