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Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by th18row »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #211
th18row wrote: post #205

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He's right though, the EU can do nothing in that case. Quite literally nothing. There is no law to abide because you don't "care" about it and there are no consequences. Practicality > useless laws

Yup, that's the whole point. The Deloitte page I linked to gives a Chinese web store located in China with no EU presence as an example. It's bonkers that the EU thinks they can enforce their laws in a situation like that. But then, that's why it hasn't been tested. It's basically a 'feel good' law with no teeth (at least the extraterritorial aspects).

That's correct, there'no possible enforcement. I think the beaurocrats in the EU don't even know what they are doing with most of the policies or "fines" they try to impose.

It will drive Europe to a sort of digital isolationism where offshore companies will either a) dismiss and continue b) cease operations there.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jacquesm »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #208
jacquesm wrote: post #196

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> At this point you seem to be being wilfully ignorant. Ok, we're done here.

I meant no insult, but I see no other explanation. You're ignoring the letter of the law, ignoring context and nuance, making unfounded claims and providing links that don't support your points at all.

> I meant no insult, but I see no other explanation.

Then maybe you should consult the guidelines.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

SanderNL wrote: post #179
sorokod wrote: post #155

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Do you see the qualitative difference between all of the following that can cause harm: * a box of matches * a handgun * an assault rifle * a 50 cal BMG * an ICBM with nuclear MIRV Saying that X has a property similar to the one Y has while ignoring the magnitude of the difference is silly.

Your point is GPT is way more dangerous? I guess I can be nonchalant about this topic. For me personally I cannot imagine something worse than either books or anything you can already access on the internet. To me it is not an assault rifle as you say, but I understand that's just an opinion.

I think it has potential to be more dangerous, but that potential remains very much unrealized at this time ( I am not complaining about that ). The difference is between potential and known risk. I understand the perspective.

I think we had very similar argument when posted showed a tool that could approximate users based on their writing style and more recently copying voice based on 20 seconds. We can estimate risk. We don't get it right consistently though.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Zurrrrr »

jacquesm wrote: post #222
Zurrrrr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant no insult, but I see no other explanation. You're ignoring the letter of the law, ignoring context and nuance, making unfounded claims and providing links that don't support your points at all.

> I meant no insult, but I see no other explanation. Then maybe you should consult the guidelines.

> Then maybe you should consult the guidelines.

And if someone is continuing to ignore facts and claim clearly false things as you were, what is the polite way to point that out?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by mrpopo »

SanderNL wrote: post #220
cft wrote: post #202

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I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

But why? Why do we need to stop rurality and farming? If people want to keep doing it, why stop them?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by killerstorm »

riffraff wrote: post #198
SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

> How is this specific to OpenAI? it's not, that's why there are consent thingies on websites (e.g. when you could not sign up for instagram as a minor). I don't know what strange thing the regulator found in chatgpt, but it's pretty standard.

> it's not, that's why there are consent thingies on websites

Are there consent thingies on Google and Wikipedia?

> when you could not sign up for instagram as a minor

Sign up to post stuff. There are normally no "consent thingies" for looking.

If a parent doesn't want a minor to look at stuff they should either not give them access or limit it.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by voidfunc »

SanderNL wrote: post #220
cft wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

The US has massive areas of rural space and a political system that gives a lot more power to rural areas than they realistically should have and we don't run into this problem so I don't think it's rural vs urban.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by modernpink »

hgsgm wrote: post #201
modernpink wrote: post #129

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Ironically the GPT4 translation is better >Both translations effectively convey the main points and ideas of the original Italian text. However, the translation I provided seems to be more fluent and coherent, using more natural English phrasing and terminology. For example, "the Guarantor for the protection of personal data" is translated as "the Italian Data Protection Authority," which is more common and clearer i…

> Ironically the GPT4 translation is better Not irony, demonstrating the point that GPT lies.

No it doesn't. I find its evaluation rather fair.
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