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PyCharm 2023.1

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Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#21

Interesting. I heard many good things about Pycharm, but it kind of looks bloated? How does it compare to VS Code (which is quite good (notebook and repl support mostly), but not great, in particular regarding the debugging experience)?

VS:Code is not bloated yet. With all plugins accumulated for a certain project type it might be more bloated the visual studio memory wise. So the bloatedness deepends on what one is doing with it

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#22
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The new UI looks a bit like Visual Studio Code, I think?

This is an unfortunate "scared pandering" path especially as visual studio has moved over to macos and Linux. Microsoft can afford to put these out VSCode and VS for free.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#24
The remote Jupyter support is very cool. Is there a managed service out there? I think my organization could benefit greatly from common Jupyter infrastructure, but the calculus changes drastically if my tiny team is on the hook for keeping it running.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#25

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PyCharm has a great debugger. I am a longtime Pycharm user and have used VScode from time to time for python, and it seems like only now VSCode is catching up. Pycharm is still better though in the general language support department. However I feel that if you were already a VSCode user, VSCode has become good enough. Pycharm like other IntelliJ based IDEs has many other QoL features which I can't find anywhere else…

For me, it comes down to the cohesiveness of the whole thing. VSCode plugins often feel janky.

The VSCode add-on manager also discriminates against users using VSCodium (The open source build of VSCode without Microsoft's proprietary "telemetry"). They simply will not let you install certain add-ons.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#26

Still a knights battle helmet when it comes to looking on text. Transparent Modal background to the text is were its at in my opinion. That and buttons on the side. One key to switch into the background. One key to switch the modes.

> That and buttons on the side.

They seem to be experimenting with a new-look UI that has buttons on the side.

I just enabled it quickly here, and it's clearly a VS Code clone. :(

Just reverted back to the standard layout, which I'm more used to.

Hopefully they don't try and force this new layout on everyone. Otherwise, people might as well actually just swap to VS Code.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#27

Interesting. I heard many good things about Pycharm, but it kind of looks bloated? How does it compare to VS Code (which is quite good (notebook and repl support mostly), but not great, in particular regarding the debugging experience)?

For large codebases PyCharm is superior, as VS Code usually chokes in its JavaScript memory usage before PyCharm's Java. You need to load large symbol datasets in the memory and VS Code seem to be struggling with this. PyCharm autocompletion, autoimport, red underline errors and type hinting tools are also better than in VS Code. VS Code Jupyter Notebook integration as better. PyCharm tends to do very badly with comp…

+ refactoring in PyCharm works

+ much better git support

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#28
post #24

The remote Jupyter support is very cool. Is there a managed service out there? I think my organization could benefit greatly from common Jupyter infrastructure, but the calculus changes drastically if my tiny team is on the hook for keeping it running.

Maybe Sagemaker Studio Lab.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/sagemaker/latest/dg/studio-lab.h...

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#29

Interesting. I heard many good things about Pycharm, but it kind of looks bloated? How does it compare to VS Code (which is quite good (notebook and repl support mostly), but not great, in particular regarding the debugging experience)?

A VS Code setup with all the plugins required to make it do all the things I use daily in PyCharm is far more bloated. The debugger (including REPL) in PyCharm is phenomenal, the way Docker and other integrations work is almost seamless, the git GUI is way better (smart merge!)...

Yes, the memory usage is higher, but spending like 50 € on an extra RAM stick to run the program I spend 70 % of my work (and often free) time in seems pretty reasonable.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, as I longtime happy Jetbrains user, I like the new look. I did not feel it hindered access to any of the features I commonly used.

As another longtime user I agree. I think the JetBrains suite had always been showing far too much stuff around the editor that you would pretty much never use. The new layout keeps the stuff you actually want, while putting the extra stuff like 1 additional click away. And honestly, everything's keybound in PyCharm so if you're someone who tries to optimise your editor usage you probably weren't clicking icons anywa…

This is exactly my feeling. I rarely click anything in any JetBrains apps. I have use keyboard shortcuts for every single thing and regularly add new ones if I've had to click on something more than once. It pains me whenever I see people futzing around with the mouse. I regularly try to encourage my direct reports to embrace the keyboard, it is just so so much faster.
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