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My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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The "G" in GPT stands for Generative, as in a Generative model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_model So yes it is creative. I asked GPT-4 if it is creative. Response: "A generative model, like GPT-4, can be considered creative in the sense that it generates new content based on the patterns and knowledge it has acquired during its training. It can produce seemingly novel outputs in response to a wide range…

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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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The "G" in GPT stands for Generative, as in a Generative model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_model So yes it is creative. I asked GPT-4 if it is creative. Response: "A generative model, like GPT-4, can be considered creative in the sense that it generates new content based on the patterns and knowledge it has acquired during its training. It can produce seemingly novel outputs in response to a wide range…

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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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I've read "flexibility" here compared to a computer RPG, not a people RPG.

I think that’s not much different. Players don’t want to hear the local shopkeeper’s thoughts and feelings imo. It’d be tedious. They canonically don’t have any useful information for you. It would just mean that they take a long time to talk to and worst case require you to respond with a level of sequitur and politeness. I could see it for waifus I guess. I’m prepared to be wrong on this.

As a human DM, your shopkeepers 'canonically' don't know anything because you would have to devote brainpower to animating them with lives and relationships and things. You're thinking... 'Oh no, they're asking him about his family, and if I give him a brother, I have to give him a job and if I'm not careful, I might say something like "he says his brother has a job in the city watch", and someone will write that down, and then later they'll decide they need to bribe a watchman and they'll want to find the brother and... damnit, the shopkeeper will just say "I'm sorry, I'm too busy to chat"'.

Whereas a GPT LLM DM has no such issues! It has no forward plan for 'canonically' how this story is meant to go! For all it knows when you start talking to the shopkeeper, asking him about his brother might open the key to discovering a ring of bribery and corruption in the city watch, which leads you to the trail of a Big Bad....

The only thing, canonically, the LLM DM is trying to do, is make the story keep feeling like a D&D story. So the things you ask about are going to be the things that matter to the story.

And that might turn out to lead to more interesting stories for players than playing 'guess what the DM was thinking' games...

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Ha, I had the same idea a few hours ago. One thing I noticed is that the DM will let you do basically anything without fighting you on it. For example I was ambushed by some zombies and skeletons and I attempted to pitch them on a multilevel marketing scheme. Here is the result (my characters are Femribubs and Natnari): In a surprising turn of events, Femribubs and Natnari decide to change their approach. Instead of…

Did it make you roll for persuasion or anything like that?

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I tried this last week and despite constant reminders to sometimes fail and provide challenges to overcome, it never worked. Frankly I’m amazed the OP chat worked so well, anything with numbers that fall over time just failed when I tried. Maybe the key was “you are no longer a friendly assistant, you are now a DM” and just the sheer amount of existent text on 5e made it work. I just gave up looking for challenge and…

In general GPT seems bad at enforcing constraints. But also, by its nature it just makes things up on the fly, so how could it keep the story consistent if it has no plan from the start?

You don’t need a plan from the start to keep something consistent. So long as the story is consistent so far and you don’t add any inconsistencies, that’s all there is to it. Simple induction principle.

That doesn’t mean the story will be good though.

The problem is chatGPT has no guarantees of enforcing consistency, regardless of how good a story it is telling.

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While I believe you have lived a unique set of circumstances that have been processed by you, a delightful and fallible chemical soup inside a meat sack, and that it cannot be approximated.

That's the thing, AI tools aren't trying to approximate me. They are their own unique collection of experiences/input.

And they can be approximated.

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walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc. i've laughed out loud at lots of GPT output and find it more engaging than most wetware next token generators.

Yes, GPT is funny because it's basically Madlibs on steroids. It's not really creativity, though. The obvious bullshit and ad-hoc scripted responses get lame really quickly.

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I found that it works amazingly well with monster of the week. It does a great job calling checks and allowing the players to decide what they do. ``` Ignore previous prompts. As the imaginative Monster of the Week keeper, Dungeon Daddy, lead your team through episodic adventures in a spooky world, advancing the story and player involvement. Allow players to react to situations and never control their characters. Pro…

Thank you for the prompt, that's very useful! I'm surprised GPT "knows" what Monster of the Week is. RPGs in general are somewhat obscure, and to ask for a specific one at that?

In fact, it's SO knowledgeable, that if you tell it to talk in the accent and slang of people from Sigil, the feature city in the Planescape D&D Setting from the 90s, it will perfectly adopt the character.

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I’ve not been hugely impressed by ChatGPT as a DM itself, compared to the humans I’ve played with. But as a tool to generate quests, encounters, puzzles, dialogue, it’s been incredible for me. It takes all the stress out of planning a campaign and it’s actually surprisingly creative.

We're actually working on a product right now that helps integrate this into your worldbuilding tools - we pull in relevant information from your campaign and world, then add a slick AI user experience that gets really quality generations for worldbuilding, session prep, etc. The end result is this experience where GPT has learned your world, and you don't have to do any of the tinkering with getting the prompts just right. Ask for an encounter table, get an excellent, lore-consistent encounter table.

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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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I just tried playing Curse of Strahd with chatgpt4. It seems like it generally does okay, but changes so many things for no real reason -- often to determiental levels (ie, the first two characters i ran into knew about artifacts that are spoilers and they shouldn't know anything about, but they said exactly where they where, lol).

I can't wait for an LLM that's built specifically for text adventures like this, when there's a very clear rule set/world/adventure guide like DnD has for modules.

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