I could see this being a great option for solitary players (who either can’t or don’t want to play with other humans).
My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
These are the most common options available at the stables in Aelondar. If you’re interested in more exotic mounts or transportation methods, they may be harder to find and come at a higher cost. ... tenzin rolled a 18 investagation looking for more exotic mounts With Tenzin’s keen eye for detail, he notices a small, discreet stable towards the back of the market, guarded by a heavy wooden gate. As he approaches, an…
I've been pondering layering the DMGPT over a world simulation back end with character and simulation cards that prompt the AI in how it should behave. I think this might make for a more persistent and cohesive experience. It would also facilitate conversations, questing, actual relationships between NPCs, etc.
One of the reasons I’m downloading LLaMA is to toy around with this idea. If it’s any good I don’t want to be limited by ChatGPT and their API and pricing model.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you show what parts of this campaign were pre-set text? Because I have a suspicion you've not read the article. This is a fully interactive campaign, and you can easily set up a unique scenario. I just tried the same prompt, but on the moon. It set up a situation with a secret moon base, characters that were trying to help you get past the guards, etc etc.
Nice way to miss my entire point. I don't care if the campaign is pre-set or one you made up. The point I was clearly making is DnD is about much more than the dungeons and dragons. It's about the camaraderie, banter, chitchat, and even arguments, the kinds of things you can meaningfully do, or want to do, with real humans.
You mistake our astonishment at GPT-4 as implying some slight against D&D; you attempt to minimize our astonishment by pointing out facts about D&D that most of use would probably agree to.
Yet this does nothing to mitigate our astonishment, which, perforce, is about a machine doing a fscking bang-up impression of a human.
This is like observing the world's first aeroplane and saying, "pfft, its wings aren't even flapping. Can't be a bird with out flapping wings." Yes, yes, we know. That is obviously not the point. Someone just invented flight.
tus666, I suspect this is an emotional self-management strategy on your part.
I'm anxious, too, but, in the words of jwz, you now have two problems, as you are still anxious, and must additionally expend psychological energy on continuous misdirection, whereas I just have the now-standard 2023 anxiety about x-risk. (Oh, and the astonishment. Kudos to the OP for such a brilliant demo of GPT-4)
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#194I’ve not been hugely impressed by ChatGPT as a DM itself, compared to the humans I’ve played with. But as a tool to generate quests, encounters, puzzles, dialogue, it’s been incredible for me. It takes all the stress out of planning a campaign and it’s actually surprisingly creative.
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The "G" in GPT stands for Generative, as in a Generative model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_model
So yes it is creative.
I asked GPT-4 if it is creative. Response:
"A generative model, like GPT-4, can be considered creative in the sense that it generates new content based on the patterns and knowledge it has acquired during its training. It can produce seemingly novel outputs in response to a wide range of inputs. However, it's important to note that its creativity is not the same as human creativity.
The generative model's outputs are based on the patterns it has observed in the data it was trained on, meaning it doesn't have a personal sense of creativity or originality. Instead, it learns to mimic the creativity it has seen in the data. The outputs are creative to the extent that they combine and recombine existing knowledge in new and potentially interesting ways.
So, while a generative model can produce creative outputs, it doesn't possess creativity in the same way humans do, as it lacks intention, consciousness, and the ability to truly understand the meaning behind its creations."
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#195Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…
It's a very good DM "co-pilot" though especially for flavor/backstory. I did the same thing and it was fun, but generally does too much telling instead of showing and it's bad at real puzzles. Also agreed DnD combat is very boring. What's neat though is a DM could leverage it for more NPC depth or fun items. I also was able to get it to let two characters sleep together through a somewhat humorous escalation of celeb…
Having tried to get ChatGPT to flirt, and kind of managed to get it to flirt, yeah it’s got a really strong habit of trying to tell you it can’t do stuff. One of the funniest moments of the “FlirtBot” experiment was when it said something mildly enticing to open a topic of conversation, including some extremely tame innuendo, apologised for being so sexual because it’s an AI (typical phrasing and words we’ve all seen) and then proceeded to follow that with some hilariously bad 90s chat room type text… I was bracing for it to spit out “a/s/l” as I watched the text appear.
Im going to try a comparison with the larger LLaMA models once I’ve got them downloaded and setup. 64GB on an M1 means I should be able to try the larger (but unfortunately not the largest) models to see how different the results are.
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#196I just played a short campaign set in the Dresden Files universe. I started in 5e and asked ChatGPT to recommend a more appropriate system. It recommended Fate so I started over with that. GPT walked me through a different setup without stats and DM’ed a decent adventure. It understood nuances of how I used spells and let me capture a cult leader, imprison them and interrogate them to reveal more of the story.
I’m going to be interested to see how well it handles other RPG systems when I get around to experimenting with it. I suspect it will handle the story writing part without issue but will struggle to hold onto system specific rules and other non narrative game elements for smaller less popular systems.
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#197Ha, I had the same idea a few hours ago. One thing I noticed is that the DM will let you do basically anything without fighting you on it. For example I was ambushed by some zombies and skeletons and I attempted to pitch them on a multilevel marketing scheme. Here is the result (my characters are Femribubs and Natnari): In a surprising turn of events, Femribubs and Natnari decide to change their approach. Instead of…
I decided I wasn't done with the undead MLM scheme and instead of going to the temple I said: They're not ready to go to the temple yet. They want to make sure the zombies and skeletons succeed in their new "careers" so they decide to help them work on their sales pitches To which the DM replied: Femribubs and Natnari, feeling a sense of responsibility for the success of the undead in their new "careers," decide to p…
This would be fucking brilliant if you carried on your quest and then, a few months later you and your party are in a sticky wicket, your health is depleted, your foe is equally wounded but wait... he's laughing?
"Nice try kids, but it pays to be prepared", the sorceror gloats as he swigs from his bottle of life potion...
Fermribub and natnari's hearts both sink. There's no way they can take him if he's back to full health. All looks lost and they make peace with their gods, but wait... the sorcerer's body is not regenerating... he looks down at the bottle in disbelief...
"Those bastard zombies have sold me snake oil!"
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#198Kind of fun but also kind of deeply depressing. D&D and boardgames are great ways to socialize in our modern internet separated world - shifting these even more towards solo pursuits feels like it'd be a loss. I grew up on both MUDs and TTRPGs which served as awesome creative outlets for collaborative story telling - I do hope that we make sure we're not optimizing away creativity.
On the other hand you don't have to worry about people complaining that you are ruining it by, metagaming, skipping the story, rebelling against other players, etc.
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This is one of the most amazing things I’ve ever read. Well done.
I didn’t keep it but GPT-4 once pitched me a very convincing cross-over between Die Hard and Jurassic Park culminating in a tense face off between a machine gun armed John McLane and a T-Rex. The heartbreaking World War 1 movie involving Pokémon was less good however.
All's Quiet On The Diglet Front
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is most “bad” for things like perception, and persuasion. In D&D specifically it creates awkward scenarios where one player is very good at things that come up all the time and has a high chance of succeeding at things unless he rolls truly terribly. But, what's the point of the traits in the first place if everyone is equally good at figuring stuff out and sweet talking because there are no checks? How is it aw…
You’re not equally good at things. But you only roll for things that matter. Persuasion is the worst offender because rookie DMs use dice to replace actual role play. And it makes their npcs into props that are largely controlled by the party face. Persuasion checks should be used when the party is actually persuading someone to do something that they don’t want to do. Terrible DMs treat it as mind control because yo…
What I dislike about this way of doing things is you've moved the game mechanic into real life. It's not good enough for the character to persuade, now the player must persuade.
Are you also going to make me stab someone to see if I'm a good fighter?
The whole point (for me) of RPGs is to have fun playing a character who isn't me, and has different strengths than me.
When I DM, if someone wants to roleplay, they can. If they just want to generally describe their desired course of action, they can. The dice will decide the outcome.