It's immoral to ask AI to do creativity. Someone flesh that out.
My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#152Ha, I had the same idea a few hours ago. One thing I noticed is that the DM will let you do basically anything without fighting you on it. For example I was ambushed by some zombies and skeletons and I attempted to pitch them on a multilevel marketing scheme. Here is the result (my characters are Femribubs and Natnari): In a surprising turn of events, Femribubs and Natnari decide to change their approach. Instead of…
Have you tried telling it that sometimes it should push back on the player if what they are requesting is unrealistic-within/inconsistent-with the world of D&D?
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, ChatGPT seems to strongly prefer happy endings. Ask it to write a scene where a Montague bumps into a Capulet, and accusations start flying. One of the characters will successfully de-escalate. Or the price of Verona will show up with guards and stop the brawl. He'll even throw in some foreshadowing about how this will all end in tragedy. I suspect that this relentless love of upbeat endings is a side effect of…
I've noticed a similar phenomenon when asking it to solve problems; if you point out a "flaw" in its proposed solution, even something that isn't wrong at all, it will cheerfully agree with you and "fix" its proposed solution, often making it worse or wrong in the process.
Good news everyone! (Futurama reference)
Our jobs are safe after all! The junior dev helped by ChatGPT will not take your job. ChatGPT cheerfully agreed with the junior when he didn't understand something and thought to point out how this can't be right and ChatGPT gave him a "fix" that brought down Production.
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#154You can give ChatGPT a prompt to take X and make it a text based adventure.
You can use this to create your own text based adventures (i.e. around Kali Linux) or to take any classic nostalgic game (i.e. Pokemon) and do a high fidelity run through where you explore the world.
ChatGPT using GPT-4 is an absolute expert at writing fan fiction. It'll take you through storylines that make hair raise on your back.
Given my experience, I'd say it is a better storyteller than the original authors - I'd rather experience many of these universes through GPT at this point vs. waiting for a studio to pump out another release.
I've used it for a full Pokemon run through to the Elite 4 and beyond. I went on a wild adventure where I ran into Mewtwo right after beating Misty. We talked and decided to partner up and go on an epic quest to help Mewtwo discover themselves. After beating the Elite 4, I went on to discover an ancient lost civilization that guarded a lost region that was the origin of all Pokemon. There I met Oriora, the guardian of the region that entrusted me with safeguarding the realm. It described the region and the guardian in great detail.
https://sharegpt.com/c/lNCjF9B
I also went on cyberpunk adventure where the protagonist used Kali Linux to infiltrate and take down a MegaCorp.
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#155It's both amazing and weirdly fallible - Tenzin, the rogue, jumps out of the tree to make a surprise attack, but in the next round of combat GPT-DM claims that he is still in the tree. Also: > Tenzin, still hidden in the tree, targets another wolf with his rapier. Does GPT4 not know that a halfling in a tree can't attack a wolf on the ground with a rapier?
> Does GPT4 not know that a halfling in a tree can't attack a wolf on the ground with a rapier?
It’s funny to think about how the parser would even go about deconstructing that sentence and trying to tie each noun to some world/physics model that would then put constraints on what the character should be allowed to do.
But as I understand it, GPT doesn’t do any of those things. It just a takes the words that have come before, and tries to guess new words to add on that are thematically consistent.
I think it no more “knows” what a “halfling” is than it knows what a “tree” is, the generated words are designed to be read “smoothly” more than any objective correctness.
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this also highlights how bad D&D combat is. Man that was boring to read. Agree. Boring to play too. I’m wondering how chatGPT, or other such aides can be used to make combat better. I tend to aggregate rolls for foes in larger combat scenarios, which speeds and simplifies the process, but that has some big downsides too, for example it’s not quite fair to aggregate a critical hit/fail for all foes.
Modern D&D is really a miniatures game (WoTC's bottom line really wants it to be a miniatures game), and as such basic "you go I go" combat is a complete waste of time in it. Skip the first few levels and only bother running encounters where positioning, AoE and range actually matter. Sure, you might throw a generic wild animal encounter in with a beginner group to teach them how the basics of combat work, but that's…
> Modern D&D is really a miniatures game
No more than that has been true of every version of D&D, and its immediate predecessor Chainmail, with the possible exception of the B/X / BECMI / Rules Cyclopedia versions that existed as a lighter version in parallel to AD&D1 & AD&D2.
Modern D&D is, perhaps, a miniatures game targeting comparative casual modern players, but OD&D/AD&D1 was definitely a miniatures game targeting the tastes of comparatively obsessive, high-rules-focus 1970s-1980s tabletop wargamers, with a light dusting of RP on top. Heck, much of the rules were specified in terms of scale distance for miniatures (inches on the tabletop).
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Completely different take. We're about to enter an era of unparalleled gameplay flexibility. All this needs is a backbone of persistence and planning. That's it.
Flexibility is the problem. Good DMs build very tall walls.
Matter of taste; many people prefer roll-with-the-punches GMs to “tall walls” (or in the more common negative description, railroad tracks) GMs.
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Respectfully, I think you're flavoring the DM role quite a bit. The DM in my current campaign often requires checks for things even when there's no obvious downside. The implicit downside is that the character who fails has to find a new way through the situation, change strategy, etc. IMO it adds to the game to have more roles and more probability based outcomes. You have to balance letting the characters do whateve…
Shrug. I think it’s a bad practice. People can have a lot of fun regardless of course. It is most “bad” for things like perception, and persuasion. In D&D specifically it creates awkward scenarios where one player is very good at things that come up all the time and has a high chance of succeeding at things unless he rolls truly terribly. In my experience players have an moment of confusion and then elation when they…
> It is most “bad” for things like perception, and persuasion. In D&D specifically it creates awkward scenarios where one player is very good at things that come up all the time and has a high chance of succeeding at things unless he rolls truly terribly.
But, what's the point of the traits in the first place if everyone is equally good at figuring stuff out and sweet talking because there are no checks? How is it awkward when one player is better than others at a specific task because of their stats? That just seems like role playing basics to me... I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong perhaps you've DM'd some campaigns where players don't like the imbalance. A good DM reads the party, of course. And I'm not saying there isn't flexibility in when a check makes sense and when it doesn't. Nobody likes things to be overbearing either. But there's got to be some reason for the stats, right?
I mean the same doesn't really make sense for combat. You wouldn't generally give an enemy advantage rolling against a high AC party member just to even out the damage, would you? Otherwise AC doesn't mean anything. (Not saying you can't make up a reason for an enemy to have inspiration to try an land a hit on the tank for fun, but the idea with a higher AC is that you get hit less often.)
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#159Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…
These are the most common options available at the stables in Aelondar. If you’re interested in more exotic mounts or transportation methods, they may be harder to find and come at a higher cost. ... tenzin rolled a 18 investagation looking for more exotic mounts With Tenzin’s keen eye for detail, he notices a small, discreet stable towards the back of the market, guarded by a heavy wooden gate. As he approaches, an…
I've been pondering layering the DMGPT over a world simulation back end with character and simulation cards that prompt the AI in how it should behave. I think this might make for a more persistent and cohesive experience. It would also facilitate conversations, questing, actual relationships between NPCs, etc.
Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM
#160Ha, I had the same idea a few hours ago. One thing I noticed is that the DM will let you do basically anything without fighting you on it. For example I was ambushed by some zombies and skeletons and I attempted to pitch them on a multilevel marketing scheme. Here is the result (my characters are Femribubs and Natnari): In a surprising turn of events, Femribubs and Natnari decide to change their approach. Instead of…
> improve their unlives
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