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My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by yreg »

asddubs wrote: post #42
yreg wrote: post #26

My first exposure to GPT was through AI Dungeon[0] (back then running in a Colab sheet) and I was utterly amazed. It was horrible at remembering the state of the world and thus felt very dreamlike (or very drunk-like) - items in my inventory kept changing, the characters around me and the scene kept changing and so on. It was actually like a lucid dream, because you could do anything. I remember a bunch of orcs ambus…

maybe the AI being less good and thus a little bit drunk is better for something like AI Dungeon, makes for more entertaining surprises, rather than just being told what the AI "thinks" you expect

In GPT-2 it was too random, but it's probably worth it to try to instruct a GPT-4 GM to behave a bit like that in the seeding prompt.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by rcarr »

vkou wrote: post #36
obiefernandez wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I need to buy it from them if I can just do it myself directly on OpenAI? (Or are you implying that OpenAI will censor it?)

Once they collaborate with 'Open'AI to build a product out for this niche, it's incredibly unlikely that OpenAI will continue to provide this service to you.

Yeah, but if a kid trains an LLM up on all the DND pdfs floating around the internet and then releases it into the wild for free, what can they do about it? Will they even be able to prove it was trained on their copyrighted material and not generic fantasy or another TTRPG?

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by joe_the_user »

munk-a wrote: post #32

Kind of fun but also kind of deeply depressing. D&D and boardgames are great ways to socialize in our modern internet separated world - shifting these even more towards solo pursuits feels like it'd be a loss. I grew up on both MUDs and TTRPGs which served as awesome creative outlets for collaborative story telling - I do hope that we make sure we're not optimizing away creativity.

I find a lot of this stuff depressing also, even though I don't think this will replace DMs just based on quality. Notice the group just abandoned their adventure mid-way through. Doesn't seem compelling. The danger in my mind is people think these automated things give them as sample of a real game.

I run a daily text game as well playing and GMing in person. Games are out-there now that covid is receding.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by gonehome »

fauxpause_ wrote: post #39

Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…

It's a very good DM "co-pilot" though especially for flavor/backstory.

I did the same thing and it was fun, but generally does too much telling instead of showing and it's bad at real puzzles.

Also agreed DnD combat is very boring.

What's neat though is a DM could leverage it for more NPC depth or fun items.

I also was able to get it to let two characters sleep together through a somewhat humorous escalation of celebrating solving a puzzle.

First they solved it so I said they should celebrate (GPT-4 said they drank elven wine). I said more intimate celebration they drank elven wine out of fancy goblets. Eventually it worked.

Then GPT-4 was very upset with itself later on.

> "As an AI language model, I am not able to create, facilitate, or describe explicit adult content. I apologize if my previous responses gave the impression that I could.

"However, I can still help you and Elara enjoy your time in the penthouse suite in a more wholesome manner. You can spend quality time together, sharing stories of your past experiences, your hopes and dreams for the future, and forging an even stronger bond."

I was able to negotiate an off-screen scene for character development which lead to a funny conversation about its disney-like prudishness.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by ilaksh »

munk-a wrote: post #32

Kind of fun but also kind of deeply depressing. D&D and boardgames are great ways to socialize in our modern internet separated world - shifting these even more towards solo pursuits feels like it'd be a loss. I grew up on both MUDs and TTRPGs which served as awesome creative outlets for collaborative story telling - I do hope that we make sure we're not optimizing away creativity.

I think you could build a MUD that used the AI to fill in the blanks, elaborate and keep everything cohesive. So the core is a real (modified) MUD engine that is deeply integrated with GPT. You use GPT to make the place more alive, to add some variety to places.

Say you prompt GPT to think of something different that happens, given a description and time of day.

You can keep all of the stuff like multiple users interacting with each other. You can also have an automated interface for admins to add on to the world. And it might be even easier to recruit people for that because you would have the AI to check what they were doing for quality and style or plot consistency etc. and fit it into the system, even automatically translate some mechanics or parameters into code.

Part of each prompt for combat or something would be the player stats and inventory. It could also have commands like "roll dice" or "next combat turn" etc. People can talk and interact. With GPT4 especially it should enable new possibilities, like custom encounters or areas that are designed on-the-fly for an ad-hoc group.

I think that an integration of GPT4 with things like MUDs has incredible potential.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by fauxpause_ »

nebulous1 wrote: post #46
fauxpause_ wrote: post #39

Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…

> Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. The AI suggested that there were exotic mounts to be found at a higher cost

That’s true. I did miss this. I still think it is bad. I also suspect the general idea of the complaint I had is probably true. But this case isn’t egregious.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by pmoriarty »

vkou wrote: post #36
obiefernandez wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I need to buy it from them if I can just do it myself directly on OpenAI? (Or are you implying that OpenAI will censor it?)

Once they collaborate with 'Open'AI to build a product out for this niche, it's incredibly unlikely that OpenAI will continue to provide this service to you.

But someone else will

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by echelon »

fauxpause_ wrote: post #39

Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…

Completely different take.

We're about to enter an era of unparalleled gameplay flexibility.

All this needs is a backbone of persistence and planning. That's it.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Post by squeaky-clean »

justinzollars wrote: post #24

I used it to play Civilization 6 - I had it describe a strategy to win a science victory, with turn by turn benchmarks, on deity mode. Its strategy won.

I was able to ask it for tips on playing Wrecking Ball in Overwatch and mentioned specifically what issues I was having, it was actually very helpful.
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