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"Give me your tired, your poor, your bank statements, your sexual proclivities, your vial of saliva, perhaps a pantone swatch best describing your hue in the winter."
No where is sexual proclivities asked for. Ellis island immigration also rejected people on medical ground.
Sex and the citizenship process
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Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here are the docs required: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrat... Nowhere are questions about the couple's sex life asked about. The only question is if the person has been a sex worker (which is good to know to see if the person is being sex trafficked). They are asked about criminal record, sold drugs, or been a terrorist. Yes the person does a medical exam. The person does list their asse…
I had lived in the US for 7 years on visas before I could apply for a green card. It was only that point that the system asked for a medical to get inoculated and check if I had any communicable diseases like HIV or TB. That definitely seemed inhuman. My own doctor couldn't do it, and previous medicals didn't count. I'd already had 7 years to transmit those diseases; a test prior to moving to the US would have made m…
The tests you're describing are for immigrant visas (Green Card IS a visa).
Non-immigrant visas don't require those tests. Why? I don't know. Clearly there are differences that don't make sense, but I'm assuming it's more related to how the law worked out in the end vs actual malice.
Also, a lot of these GC medical questionnaires more focused on people bringing in family members from oversees (as in sponsor them), and much less for people converting from a non-immigrant visa to an immigrant one.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had lived in the US for 7 years on visas before I could apply for a green card. It was only that point that the system asked for a medical to get inoculated and check if I had any communicable diseases like HIV or TB. That definitely seemed inhuman. My own doctor couldn't do it, and previous medicals didn't count. I'd already had 7 years to transmit those diseases; a test prior to moving to the US would have made m…
The tests you're describing are for immigrant visas (Green Card IS a visa). Non-immigrant visas don't require those tests. Why? I don't know. Clearly there are differences that don't make sense, but I'm assuming it's more related to how the law worked out in the end vs actual malice. Also, a lot of these GC medical questionnaires more focused on people bringing in family members from oversees (as in sponsor them), an…
The answer to why is racism. The immigration rules in US are designed in a similar way to previous black voter literacy rules. A lot of leeway for the bureaucrat to reject, a lot of unnecessary burden of proof on the applicant also to make it easy to miss the deadlines and introduce a cost barrier. (No, these tests are not free.)
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes unsurprisingly a country wants to do basic background checks on people it is making permanent residents and then citizens. This will not stop the worst from coming, at best; but might discourage the best from doing it. It’s stupid and inhuman.
Surely it may not stop some criminals mastermind, but most criminals are idiots with bad impulse control. I'd wager that many are caught by this process
Actual criminals would enter fully illegally (rarest), use only a temporary visa (even long term business), or use cooperative approved US citizens. So that is a rather bad reason to gate immigration.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
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So, ah, how would a person who is above-average prove they're in a "sufficiently committed" relationship?
At least few co mingled things, at the minimum mail to same address, joint tax returns, maybe some shared utilities bills, each person using their cards alternatively randomly while being together, some travel (local in city or far), some birthday anniversary stuff photos, few gifts like cards, flowers stuff, time & photos with each other's family, a detailed 4-10 pages of statement about relationship, how they met,…
You cannot do joint tax return when not recognized legally as married in the US, it's one of the benefits.
And I'm not sure how marriage to a foreign national works in the US, but it might not grant this benefit.
Same address (and checked by immigration official) means you already have a temporary visa. (Same address in another country does not count, easy to fake.) So they already let you in...
Having paid some US bills would be a hardest one but it does not substantiate the marriage.
All the other stuff? Trivial to fake. These days, even a lewd sex picture can be done without the act.
The best one is pregnancy validated as one of the parents'. Kind of expensive.
See where this is going? If they don't want to let you stay forever, they will find an excuse.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
The tests you're describing are for immigrant visas (Green Card IS a visa). Non-immigrant visas don't require those tests. Why? I don't know. Clearly there are differences that don't make sense, but I'm assuming it's more related to how the law worked out in the end vs actual malice. Also, a lot of these GC medical questionnaires more focused on people bringing in family members from oversees (as in sponsor them), an…
The answer to why is racism. The immigration rules in US are designed in a similar way to previous black voter literacy rules. A lot of leeway for the bureaucrat to reject, a lot of unnecessary burden of proof on the applicant also to make it easy to miss the deadlines and introduce a cost barrier. (No, these tests are not free.)
I don't know. As a non-US Citizen it a privilege to be in the USA. Not a right. As such they are well within their rights to only allow smart people in. Countries have sovereignty.
An illiterate white person would have exactly the same problem as what you describe.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least few co mingled things, at the minimum mail to same address, joint tax returns, maybe some shared utilities bills, each person using their cards alternatively randomly while being together, some travel (local in city or far), some birthday anniversary stuff photos, few gifts like cards, flowers stuff, time & photos with each other's family, a detailed 4-10 pages of statement about relationship, how they met,…
You cannot do joint tax return when not recognized legally as married in the US, it's one of the benefits. And I'm not sure how marriage to a foreign national works in the US, but it might not grant this benefit. Same address (and checked by immigration official) means you already have a temporary visa. (Same address in another country does not count, easy to fake.) So they already let you in... Having paid some US b…
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You cannot do joint tax return when not recognized legally as married in the US, it's one of the benefits. And I'm not sure how marriage to a foreign national works in the US, but it might not grant this benefit.
An American can get married to a foreign national, and the marriage will be recognized for tax purposes.
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Yes, you've listed all the various ways that a vindictive USCIS can screw someone applying for a spousal Visa. That's very clever and all, but is irrelevant for the vast majority of applicants.
And the ones for whom it is relevant are going to benefit more from speaking to an immigration lawyer, than running over what-if-wargames in their head.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
The answer to why is racism. The immigration rules in US are designed in a similar way to previous black voter literacy rules. A lot of leeway for the bureaucrat to reject, a lot of unnecessary burden of proof on the applicant also to make it easy to miss the deadlines and introduce a cost barrier. (No, these tests are not free.)
I don't know. As a non-US Citizen it a privilege to be in the USA. Not a right. As such they are well within their rights to only allow smart people in. Countries have sovereignty. An illiterate white person would have exactly the same problem as what you describe.
Brush up on the history of those racist literacy tests please. They were not actually testing literacy.
Likewise this immigration law is not about letting people in or not, that's the visa which is much more lax. And often follows another more temporary visa.
Benefits of being a US citizen are some, but not really enough in comparison to just being in the US which needs only the visa. (Especially business/employee visa.)
It's not a test for intelligence either, unless you explain to me how you need to be smart to be in a relationship. Stable employment (of one of the partners) is something, I guess, if it's checked, but that's a different immigration visa that is quite limited. The check for language is done at visa application... (See point of people already having a previous visa, usually.)
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
In europe, excluding scam countries like malta, you don't have to pay such high fees to get processing.
In Japan it's 8000 yen (about USD$60 right now). Weird how the Anglophone countries take advantage of immigrants so much.
> Weird how the Anglophone countries take advantage of immigrants so much
They are more experienced. There are not so many people who want to live in Japan.
Re: Sex and the citizenship process
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Japan it's 8000 yen (about USD$60 right now). Weird how the Anglophone countries take advantage of immigrants so much.
> Weird how the Anglophone countries take advantage of immigrants so much They are more experienced. There are not so many people who want to live in Japan.
Do the Anglophone countries want high-skill immigrants who are going to bring huge economic benefits or not? Making it difficult and expensive for them to immigrate and make new homes there is counter-productive. By contrast, Japan makes it really, really easy (and cheap) to immigrate if you have highly-valued skills and a job with a high salary.
Maybe the Anglophone countries' governments are just evil and want to take advantage of the high demand by charging huge fees? But even here, it doesn't make that much sense because a lot of the total costs are for an immigration lawyer to handle the byzantine procedures, not government fees, so this just looks like corruption.