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Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by pessimizer »

melenaboija wrote: post #18
badpun wrote: post #4

It's not "Google" (corporations don't exist in the physical world, so they can't act in it), it was specific people at Google who destroyed evidence or lied to court.

It is Google and inside Google some specific individuals. Corporations are part of the society and their capital is its representation. Corporations have to be liable and whoever takes benefits has to take this.

Google the company shouldn't be used as a mask for individual Google employees. If you find that employees are being used as scapegoats for companies, it's an indication that you haven't moved high enough in the org chart with your indictments.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by mike_d »

hot_gril wrote: post #58
zamnos wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a group to join to enable history by default.

It still has a timeout, just a longer one, and there's some caveat about the other side sending first that I forget. The only solid solution is to discuss everything in a space instead of a regular group/1:1 chat.

Getting yourself put on legal hold was also great for email/chat retention.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by pessimizer »

Forbo wrote: post #22

"Organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful"... Except when it makes us look bad.

Typical.

Google: Remembering the number and types of pets we think you may own, for decades, but quietly destroying information about ourselves in a process consistent with how that information is classified under our recently updated data retention policy.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by bbunix »

MBCook wrote: post #50

So will they be fined or have some other punishment? Or maybe there will be a future hearing to determine that?

Yes, it's at the end of the document. Penalties will be assessed once fact discovery is complete. Monetary damages of legal costs related to this issue are to be presented to the court by the plaintiff.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by bcrosby95 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #9

It's a useful reminder not to pay attention to legal commentary from HN, most of the comments were saying that Google did nothing wrong w.r.t. these messages.

Ah, the stodgy old "only ever discuss things with experts" advice.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by pessimizer »

henriquez wrote: post #5
hanniabu wrote: post #3

It's worth it b/c corporations only get penalized with measly fines

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We didn't prosecute the CIA for destroying videotaped evidence of torture at numerous black sites, and promoted the woman who ordered it to CIA Director. Google will ultimately benefit from destroying evidence, which is why they did it.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by pessimizer »

drstewart wrote: post #35
henriquez wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Governments should be in the habit of shutting down any and all enterprises at a drop of a hat. Any infraction should result in immediate termination + mass arrests as you correctly point out. Countries that have taken this approach (i.e. Cuba, Zimbabwe) have shown great success and flourishing, thriving economies.

We say, as a bill winds through Congress to force the sale of TikTok.

Re: Judge finds Google destroyed evidence and repeatedly lied to the court [pdf]

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Post by rodgerd »

fsckboy wrote: post #15

> The Court has repeatedly asked Google why it never mentioned Chat until the issue became a substantial problem. It has not provided an explanation, which is worrisome, especially in light of its unlimited access to accomplished legal counsel, and its long experience with the duty of evidence preservation. courts never stray "outside the case" but I wish they had said "...and google's long experience saving every sc…

> i think when a court finds you have deleted evidence, that the information deleted is assumed to be evidence against you

This is why Alex Jones lost his civil actions: he was so intransigent about refusing to produce evidence that the judge determined he was guilty.

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