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Only when it comes to some biological factors. Most of what we believe separates men from women is learned behavior.
> Most of what we believe separates men from women is learned behavior. I haven't seen convincing evidence to support this. There's the possibility that the differences we see in the higher echelons of chess arise from biological differences between men and women. But that possibility is not being explored for political/social reasons.
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Trust me, not only did I read it, but I also thought through these issues over the years. "Yes, Politician B did do this-or-that immoral thing, but then again so do other politicians. So what's the big deal?" This is not what's being said. What's being said is: We typically want to stay neutral among conflicts. You are pressuring us to take an unprecedented step of banning athletes from country X because country X di…
Actually no, it's about moral shifts. The morality of today is very, very, very different from what it was a mere thousand years ago. Brigandry (killing travelers on the road so that you can take their stuff) was once considered a noble profession, for example. But the world moves on, and morality has a tendency to move in tectonic shifts. Suddenly (it seems), what was okay is no longer okay, because the people say s…
I think for the same reason this happens:
https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arr...
I think that speaks for itself. What is the year when it became "not ok to invade, occupy and bomb other countries that present no threat to you and are not even within 1000 miles of you"? Because that's kind of the thing that matters, right? You mentioned 1930. Since then, USA has been involved in 80% of the wars, and has 800 bases around the world while the rest of the world combined has 30. Who needs "conquest" when you can intimidate everyone into doing what you want?
Do you not see the issue here? It's simple ... if we all suddenly grew a conscience, great! So will you join people in calling for sanctions on USA and ostracism of US athletes? Can you link us to a post about that? Here is Mehdi Hassan doing it -- will you?
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1520952450286755841?l...
And if not -- the real question is why not and why do you feel strongly in one case but not the other?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually no, it's about moral shifts. The morality of today is very, very, very different from what it was a mere thousand years ago. Brigandry (killing travelers on the road so that you can take their stuff) was once considered a noble profession, for example. But the world moves on, and morality has a tendency to move in tectonic shifts. Suddenly (it seems), what was okay is no longer okay, because the people say s…
The question is simple. Would it be beautiful for you to see people banning US athletes? At this point, I think it would, for many people. Why don't we see it anywhere? That's the question. I think for the same reason this happens: https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arr... I think that speaks for itself. What is the year when it became "not ok to invade, occupy and bomb other countries that pres…
It most certainly is not.
> Would it be beautiful for you to see people banning US athletes? At this point, I think it would, for many people. Why don't we see it anywhere? That's the question.
This does reach the crux of the matter. Why don't we see Cubans boycotting American athletes and gaining major international support? Why aren't Syrians raising hell at every athletic competition, protesting that Americans and Turks are allowed to compete? Everyone's free to join in and boycott, so why don't they? Answer: Because on the whole it's not important enough to them to warrant the investment of effort and time. Because America's behaviors aren't that far out of the international norm of today (sad to say). That "suddenly" hasn't happened yet, and probably won't for quite some time.
And that's how we measure moral shifts. One day the shittier things America does today will be protest worthy, but our morality has not moved that far yet, and we still have much bigger fish to fry.
So to answer your question: I feel strongly about one case but not the other because they are not equivalent. And worrying about all the little problems before starting to solve the big ones makes the perfect the enemy of the good.
And that's the beef I have over whataboutism: It makes storms in teacups. That's what it's designed for, and why it's rightly called a logical fallacy.
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#74why is chess separated by gender? we don't separate by gender other intellectual pursuits, e.g. best author, best director, jeopardy winner, etc. [edit] Just checked Wikipedia, and it turns out Chess mostly isn't separate by gender so I stand corrected: The majority of chess tournaments are open to all participants regardless of gender. Very few, if any, international tournaments are restricted to men, but a few are…
> why is chess separated by gender? Like most other sports, the "male" league is actually open to everyone, women just aren't competitive.
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The question is simple. Would it be beautiful for you to see people banning US athletes? At this point, I think it would, for many people. Why don't we see it anywhere? That's the question. I think for the same reason this happens: https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arr... I think that speaks for itself. What is the year when it became "not ok to invade, occupy and bomb other countries that pres…
> The question is simple. It most certainly is not. > Would it be beautiful for you to see people banning US athletes? At this point, I think it would, for many people. Why don't we see it anywhere? That's the question. This does reach the crux of the matter. Why don't we see Cubans boycotting American athletes and gaining major international support? Why aren't Syrians raising hell at every athletic competition, pro…
So what you said honestly seems backwards to me on every level, including logical, ethical, and reality.
Logical: You say we should not "worry about all the little problems before starting to solve the big ones." So are you trying to say that going halfway around the world, bombing, invading, occupying and destroying multiple countries, and resulting in over a million deaths, is a much smaller problem, than invading one country to prevent it from joining a hostile alliance? The number of countries is larger. The death toll is also larger. The destruction is larger. But you have it backwards somehow. If you applied your principle, it would mean we would actually have to prioritize preventing USA from doing this anymore, not Russia. I am saying we should do both.
Ethical: How is going halfway around the world to attack countries that pose literally ZERO threat to your country, less worthy of moral condemnation, than getting militarily involved around your own localized borders in order to stop that same "globetrotter" from flipping your neighbor against you? One has an actual connection to self defense, and the other literally does not. But you have it backwards, again.
Reality: billions of people recognize that NATO's expansion led to this, USA's own experts predicted it, and even the Ukrainians themselves did NOT want to be part of NATO, when George W Bush vowed to bring them into NATO kicking and screaming anyway. Every sound bite you are you told to repeat, including "open door policy", "purely defensive" and "unprovoked and unjustified", is backwards.
Ukraine says NO to NATO: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2010/03/29/ukraine-says-n...
Bush vows to press for Ukraine in NATO: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-ukraine-bush/bush-vo...
Decades of warnings predicting NATO expansion leading to this exact war: https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-follows-decades-of-w...
50 prominent US policy experts said this back in 1999: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/o...
Billions of people hold NATO responsible for Ukraine war more than Russia: https://thewire.in/world/more-indians-hold-us-nato-responsib...
Even the pope says it repeatedly and doubles down on it: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/06/14/italy-vat...
Nigel Farage warned about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KqE7UTptgGg
Tulsi Gabbard and many politicians say it could have been avoided: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5oPNjMZw4
Progressives try to push for peace: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/25/democrats-jo...
The very peacemakers who were brokering peace in the first week of the war say USA and UK blocked the peace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yma0LxyVVs
I could go on... but my point is it's backwards. This is plain and simple a way for USA to push through a surrounding of Russia at Ukraine's expense ... if they can get it done, great. If not, well Ukraine paid the price, they "wanted to fight" after all.
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In the context of a discussion about chess, they are.
In Sweden, a mere 3% of adult chess club players are women. Women and men then evidently feel quite differently about playing chess (I don't have an explanation.)
My impression is contract bridge has somewhat gender parity in terms of who plays it. [0] The ranking of contract bridge players doesn't appear to measure current quantitative strength, which seems to encourage volume of play rather than skill.
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> why is chess separated by gender? Like most other sports, the "male" league is actually open to everyone, women just aren't competitive.
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Even being behaviorism real-life experiments.
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There is one on r/chess: https://old.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/122wakh/fide_womens_...
Are these chess tournos usually this dramatic or was this just an atypical combination of geopolitics seeping into sport and other issues gaining purchase out of the sum of the chaos?
Chess lately has been pretty dramatic, Google "Hans Niemann cheating allegations" if you don't already know -- in my opinion, far more dramatic than this.
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> The question is simple. It most certainly is not. > Would it be beautiful for you to see people banning US athletes? At this point, I think it would, for many people. Why don't we see it anywhere? That's the question. This does reach the crux of the matter. Why don't we see Cubans boycotting American athletes and gaining major international support? Why aren't Syrians raising hell at every athletic competition, pro…
What Russia is doing is analogous to what USA did in the Cuban Missile Crisis. You can't allow a neighboring country, especially one that was a former ally, to join an enemy military alliance and pose an existential threat to some of your citizens, by, say, pointing nuclear missiles at you -- neither now nor in 15 years. Any country would react to being surrounded and cornered, including today's USA. That at least ha…
I would suggest consulting Timothy Snyder, Richard C. Levin Professor of History at Yale University, specializing in the modern history of Central and Eastern Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_D._Snyder
His lectures are available on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJczLlwp-d8
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Still not competitive at the top level. Even being behaviorism real-life experiments.
A single experiment getting to 8th ranked player is a major win for his theory. Tens of thousands of players try to get there and fail.