As a parent, this isn't something for the state to mandate. I feel they took the choice away from me.
If my child breaks one of these vague laws, who gets brought to court?
The parents.
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whats going on at Roblox? Curious, as a parent myself.
Highly addictive to my kids for reasons that I can't grok. Unfettered social interaction with other participants in an unmonitored environment that superficially 'looks' like a video game. This social interaction leads to bullshit purchases. Not purchasing the bullshit leads to peer pressure and bullying. Is it a technical problem? is it lack of content moderation? or do social networks that are catered towards child…
I watch my son play Roblox sometimes. The chat is heavily censored.
He also learned most countries, their capitals, and their flags. And that was just a few servers with "country balls".
I find the YouTube videos involving those far more insidious, because children don't really understand biting sarcasm and satire as well as adults, and I'll often make him switch videos.
But I haven't noticed anything necessarily harmful about Roblox.
Then again, don't they make like a billion dollars a year?
I'm more upset that they screw content creators so badly that the "bullying and peer pressure" seems to be necessary.
Roblox is one of those things that seems impossible on a technical level. And with a billion dollars, they could hire social workers, moderators, etc.
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#333A Utah resident connects to a server in California, controlled by a company in California. This seems like interstate commerce to me, and is thus regulated by federal law, not the laws of individual states. Consider Wickard v. Filburn[0], in which the courts ruled that a farmer growing crops on his own land, to feed to his own animals, all within a single state, was participating in "interstate commerce". Given this…
> This isn't something Utah can regulate.
The stream of commerce doctrine gets silly pretty quickly since literally everything has some degree of it.
I was convinced federal courts wouldn't allow states to collect sales tax on out-of-state purchases (or at least say states can't enforce it), that seems to be ok.
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I welcome it. Breaking the way the internet is used these days would be a huge win for society as a whole no matter how painful it might look at first.
You want full corporate control and mandatory remote attestation on your devices to comply with these laws?
Some people love being controlled
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Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.
The solution is actually simpler than that. Just shut down any company operations in Utah, refuse to accept any payments from users with Utah addresses and require all of your employees that are located in Utah to relocate. But people in Utah can continue using the service. It's also quite possible that this law gets thrown out as unconstitutional by the federal courts since it seems similar to the California video g…
Remember the time Facebook blocked news in Australia?
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#336HN commiserating kids killing themselves due to social media last week
HN complaining about a state doing something about it this week
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#337I feel like this is a response to the exponential popularity of sites like r/exmormon among younger generations. For example, look at these exceptions. It seems like organic, unapproved discussion between users is what the bill is trying to stifle: > (D) news, sports, entertainment, or other content that is preselected by the provider and not user generated, ... (Q) to permit comments on a digital news website, if th…
+1. As an Indian kid growing up in a very conservative family/neighborhood I can attest that what I have learned and have helped me in becoming successful was all through my peers and books (mostly fiction). If I had no access to those and had purely followed what my parents prescribed, I would have been a very different individual and most likely, would not have pursued computer science. More than anything, succees or otherwise, peer learning and learning on my own was and still continues to be the emblem of freedom.
There surely is a downside to this, that this self learning can veer you off in a sub optimal direction of laziness, procrastination, lost concentration etc, as experienced in today's social media. However, it's better to bet the odds on freedom of individuals than on oversight.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would love it if you would state what you think the viewpoint opposite yours is and then try to defend it, then explain why that defense is wrong. > legislates away industries because you don't want to handle the parenting yourself. What are your thoughts on pharmaceutical/heroin legislation? What are your thoughts on making it illegal to advertise unhealthy food to kids? How do you feel about the idea of product p…
> What are your thoughts on pharmaceutical/heroin legislation? The USA government already makes the incorrect decision regarding these substances by criminalizing them, banning them, and throwing users in prison. Evidence shows that legalizing these substances and providing addiction care and universal healthcare, as well as tackling homelessness with empathetic solutions (literally just give them housing, it's that…
I agree with the first half.
TikTok is a national security issue and a reciprocity issue and for that reason it was a bad choice of example.
You can look at other social media as a morality problem. I could see why someone would think of it that way, but we are literally quite governed by our neurotransmitters, and these companies literally have "engagement" (read: addiction) engineers. There are literally addiction engineers working on creating the state of addiction. Engineers working on figuring out how to get people to spend the maximum amount of time possible on the apps.
At some point it becomes a health issue. Stimulus is stimulus. Dopamine dysfunction is real.
What's the difference between scrolling an infinite feed for 10 hours and feeling good on an opium den couch for 10 hours? I am not saying that's a perfect comparison, but I don't think it's as simple as morality. These social media apps cause real biological response and there are engineers literally working on manipulating those responses.
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#339Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…
Yes, and a 13 year old should absolutely not use any of those services. Discord in particular has become known as “groomercord” for it’s open pedophilia.
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Social media, crypto, gambling and the cigarette industries should be legislated away. Yes.
> Social media, crypto, gambling and the cigarette industries should be legislated away. Yes. Ironically posted on a social media site (Hacker News has the characteristics of "Social Media Site" under this definition). Reddit would also be gone. It's funny to read all the comments from people who think "social media" just means "sites I don't like"
>Reddit would also be gone.
Don't threaten me with a good time.