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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by MarkSweep »

ars wrote: post #43
paxys wrote: post #16

Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…

> it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents What else do you expect? When tech companies make phones secure enough for the NSA, every app has passwords, and most apps have disappearing messages, how exactly do you expect parents to monitor what their kids are doing? All the "parental monitoring" apps do is check how much time kids are using the phone. They give zero info on wha…

I’m not really sure if I disagree with you, but in the past we’re parents really able to see everything their children were doing? Like telephones did not record conversations, they were effectively “disappearing messages”.

I guess the argument would be technology enables children to do secret stuff without any of the obvious signs, like sneaking out in the middle of the night?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by MBCook »

bananapub wrote: post #13

this is a crappy headline. by trying to put some age limit on things, they're forcing absolutely everyone to give up their identity to the government / sites.

Unfortunately that is the most reliable form of age verification we have: government ID cards.

If this is 100% true in its face it would look identical to if it was a scheme to de-anonymize people.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by throwayyy479087 »

falcolas wrote: post #62

Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

Yes, and a 13 year old should absolutely not use any of those services.

Discord in particular has become known as “groomercord” for it’s open pedophilia.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by readams »

ryankshaw wrote: post #31
taylodl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.

I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.

Hacker News would fit the definition also

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by chiefalchemist »

1over137 wrote: post #74
chiefalchemist wrote: post #69

Sure, let's blame social media for the troubles of our youth. It's not the endless wars. It's not the endless poverty. It's not the endless divisiveness. It's not the endless media fearmongering of X or Y. It's TikTok. It's Instagram. Etc.

Good points. But 3 and 4 are partly caused by social media I think.

They existed prior and yes have been elevated since SM. Not necessarily because of SM, but because SM can take the blame while those who drive the wedge get a free pass.

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

falcolas wrote: post #62

Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

Stack overflow and github are the only ones that feel out of place there.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by MBCook »

lumb63 wrote: post #72
t-writescode wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re downvoted; but this is the obvious result. Mormons in the state don’t want their kids learning about sex or have good sex or find out all the contradictions in their holy book and they don’t want to find out that what their parents are doing is serious and scary manipulation and abuse and so banning their access to the internet is a way to protect the families and “protect” the children.

I think you and the parent comment are off base. I have no concrete evidence of that, but in a very blue Massachusetts, most parents I know begrudgingly allow their children on social media, and only to the extent required to prevent their children from being social outcasts. Social media has very real negative consequences for a lot of kids (and adults). I don’t think this is a red team/blue team game.

I agree. The stated reason is easily enough to explain the action. Tons of parents are concerned about this everywhere and would probably love such restrictions (if enacted by the networks instead of the state).

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Post by falcolas »

MBCook wrote: post #68
falcolas wrote: post #62

Is it a bad time to mention that sites like stack overflow, discord, sub stack, medium, Reddit, hacker news, GitHub, YouTube, and so forth have the same traits - the same identifying markers - as what we consider traditional social media sites? How the bill defines social media: 10) (a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company 160 makes available for an account holder to: 161 (i) crea…

Just more of the unintended consequences we all know will come from this.

Given how the government reps talked (hah) to the TikTok CEO, and some of the speeches leading up to that farce, I’m pretty convinced it’s entirely intentional.

It gives power and eyeballs back to the entrenched traditional media moguls.

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Post by throwayyy479087 »

xwolfi wrote: post #5
specialist wrote: post #3

Next, they should limit boomer social media access. And then everyone in between. "...Meta said it has robust tools to keep children safe." Sure. -- Watching the socials get lumped into the same moral category as cigarettes, domestic abuse, the Sacklers, and cable news, is giving me a bit of schadenfreude. Don't worry. My joy won't last.

Very weird feeling I have here, in China. For once, I feel it's the americans following us. What's next, limiting online video game time ??

That would also be good. I know people who have shit their pants during RuneScape sessions. They can’t use it responsibly.
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