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You underestimate how hard it might be to get your parent to sign some weird consent form from a "github" site, especially if it asks for a picture of the parent's ID (to ensure the kid isn't accepting the terms on their own behalf).
Ok, a picture of parent id is ridiculous. I didn't know that part.
Whether this is a reasonable law or not, my big problem with it is that it puts the burden of enforcement on tech platforms rather than the kids' parents. There is no way for any company to check for something like this without also affecting every other user of the site, whether they are in Utah or not and whether they are a teen or not. What do they do exactly, start collecting government IDs from us before every v…
You could say the same thing about cigarette and alcohol sales.
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Hopefully this is hyperbole. Seems a bit extreme to hope the government legislates away industries because you don't want to handle the parenting yourself.
Social media, crypto, gambling and the cigarette industries should be legislated away. Yes.
Ironically posted on a social media site (Hacker News has the characteristics of "Social Media Site" under this definition).
Reddit would also be gone.
It's funny to read all the comments from people who think "social media" just means "sites I don't like"
> The bills also impose a social media curfew that blocks children's access between 22:30 and 06:30, unless adjusted by their parents. The main bill is a possibly a bit overreaching but I’m fully in favour of this part. There’s a huge problem where I live with kids just not going to school and many of those same kids are staying up until 1am each night doom scrolling or watching YouTube.
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I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.
Another Utahn here and I feel the same. I don’t really see how this could work and think it will probably go away quietly, but I’d kind of love it if these platforms (and the social pressure our kids feel to be on them) just went away.
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Very weird feeling I have here, in China. For once, I feel it's the americans following us. What's next, limiting online video game time ??
I feel like it is a universally constant thing for some subset of people to want their government to “force those other people to do what I think they should be doing”. The only the US does relatively well is to provide mechanisms to reverse course when these things happen. Which is also why a lot of changes end up in gridlock. Which I suspect will happen soon in this case.
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> So, size is really the only relevant discriminator. No, its not, see the vast horde of use/function based exclusions starting at line 165 comprising code section 13-63-101(10)(b).
None of which clearly protect GH or SO, the subjects of this thread branch.
I disagree, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35310413 (especially considering that because this law creates a penalty, and because it restricts speech, its definitions of the covered parties and conduct must be read narrowly – and its exceptions read broadly [0] – per the rule of lenity in statutory construction.)
[0] if, in the first instance, it is Constitutional at all.
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They’re also taking away the support some marginalized people may get from social networks (eg LGBT, uncommon religions for the area) that their local community doesn’t provide/discriminates against/their parents hate. Social networks, for all their faults, are not pure evil. They can be beneficial for some people.
Do you think one would have to be on a network with at least 5 million users to get this sort of support as opposed to a smaller one, perhaps specifically oriented towards this sort of stuff? The latter is as legal as before I think.
If you join Facebook, it doesn’t signal anything because everyone is on Facebook. Or Instagram. Or TikTok. Or any of the other called out platforms.
Will the app ask, “Are you over 21?” YES - NO
Papers please. Want to speak and assemble online? I'm gonna need to see some papers first.