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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Is bard that bad? I don't know, I can't try it because I'm not from the fucking USA or UK. And they do this for every new launch. Sorry, not available in your country. FFS, there is a world out there. Every fucking other company in the world doesn't bother with this shit. I was able to use OpenAI no problem. I was able to try Bing, no problem. Bard? Nope, I have no idea if it's good or bad. I can't trust what I read…

Just use protonvpn, it is free. worked for me.

I'd also need to create a throwaway google account because I can't risk they close my account due to some automated term and conditions check or whatnot

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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GPT4s killer revenue stream isn't selling ads on keyword searches. It's selling access to a general compute engine that can take text and do useful things with it. The API is dead simple to use, and all you have to do is just change a line of text to "upgrade" to the newest models over time. (By the way, the upgrade from ChatGPT -> GPT4 is huge). Google should be deathly afraid of this. Not because Microsoft is going…

I’ve said this before on HN, but if LLM agents catch on, won’t it be self-defeating in the long term? They need to pull tons of info from the web to be useful and up-to-date. If we all stop visiting websites, then who’s going to keep publishing all of that info?

Who says this is true? The AGI will certainly be able to figure it out without depending on some crap medium blog

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

They already have monetized it. Its $20/month.

Basically OpenAI succeeded right from the start with what Google never got right (monetize search) until Google discovered how to monetize their search product through an advertisement model. Now that ads aren't anymore needed for a successful search product Google is in existential danger. Classic Innovators dilemma.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

I still cant believe google thought they could ruin the internet like that and continue to dominate search

Greed is a hell of a drug.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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As opposed to the thing we did before, which is when kids asked something they were told something that's wrong and told to "stop talking back" and "go to your room". I think this is still an improvement.

> As opposed to the thing we did before, which is when kids asked something they were told something that's wrong and told to "stop talking back" and "go to your room" Not everyone had your childhood.

Not everyone, but lots of people.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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GPT4s killer revenue stream isn't selling ads on keyword searches. It's selling access to a general compute engine that can take text and do useful things with it. The API is dead simple to use, and all you have to do is just change a line of text to "upgrade" to the newest models over time. (By the way, the upgrade from ChatGPT -> GPT4 is huge). Google should be deathly afraid of this. Not because Microsoft is going…

The internet you’re describing sounds like hell on earth. I don’t want to talk to an llm.

Out of curiosity, have you played around with ChatGPT-4 at all? While I would disagree with you on v3.5 alone, on v4 I _strongly_ disagree with that sentiment. Interacting with it is significantly better than modern search engines to get a mental model of something, slight mistakes and searching to validate claims and all.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Here is what I have asked it the past few days with great results: - What is the trim stop attachment that comes with the Festool DF 500 used for? - What are some options for water for a home with no municiple water or well access? - What dimensions drawer should I make when using 18" Blum Blumotion full extension drawer slides if the drawer opening is 20 inches wide, 18 inches deep and seven inches tall? - Can the s…

> - I'm trying to remember a 90s movie about a boy prodigy that goes to an event with other prodigies and then shouts out an answer to a math question from the audience.

I love that movie! I had the same experience a few years ago of trying to remember its name.

This is a great example of something ChatGPT does amazingly well at. I did almost the same thing myself recently, trying to find the name of a show featuring an actor in a different show or something. A straight-up search returns nothing for it; you have to look up the actor's name, then look at his shows, then try to remember the name. But a search with ChatGPT found the result easily.

I tried a "similar" thing now. I was thinking of the movie Gifted, and wanted to see if I could get ChatGPT to pick it up, here's my query:

> I'm trying to remember the name of a movie about a child, featuring an actor that was in a marvel movie.

And the result:

> There are many movies featuring actors who have appeared in Marvel films, so it's a bit difficult to pinpoint the exact movie you're thinking of without more information. However, one possibility could be "Gifted" (2017), starring Chris Evans, who is well-known for playing Captain America in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In "Gifted," Evans plays the role of a man raising his young niece, who turns out to be a child prodigy. If you could provide more details about the plot or other actors, I'd be happy to help narrow down the list further.

This is obviously a tiny use case, and really not worth thinking about. Who cares, right? I thought the same thing about search in general 20 years ago, and that turned into one of the biggest businesses of all time.

This is the search that I did that made me the most afraid for Google.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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While I agree with a bunch of other comments that are interested to see what happens in the long term, to me, all of this points to some profound organizational and cultural problems at Google. I base that statement on things I see as an external observer, from posts I've seen from current/ex-Googlers here on HN, and from some (albeit brief) conversations I've had with some of these folks. If a decade ago you told me…

Current Googler for close to a decade.

Another big problem is that the current leadership formed their leadership skills in history's longest bull run (2009-2020), and none of them seem to know how to be scrappy and get stuff done. Our engineering leadership loves to just sit around and pontificate about theoreticals. Without blinking an eye they'll happily block projects for months on end over minutiae that don't matter. Often even simple features would languish in design reviews for 6-12 months. A lot of my job is "driving for alignment" between dozens of stakeholders on any given project, often at the request of our eng leaders. There is an incredible amount of bureaucracy to get anything done. People who don't leap through every hoop get labeled as having "not enough technical rigor".

Our product team has begun to wisen up on how we need to start shipping more things. Currently a lot of the eng teams are caught between our eng leaders who move at the rate as molasses, and product teams who are pushing us to actually get things done. It'll be interesting to see who wins here.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Google trends shows a different picture: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2... Close to no change Who to trust?

Assuming this is not a troll, google trends measures how often people search something on google. The URL you linked shows how often people search the word 'Bing' on google. If Bing has an uptick, that doesn't necessarily mean that they first go to Google to find Bing and then do their actual search.

Unless their default search engine is Bing it's likely they are using Google to search for it

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#580

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

just wait till chatGPT starts including ads in results.
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