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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by majormajor »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #295
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

I remember Stadia as being a late-to-the-party (OnLive and others beat them to launch by a decade) me-too offering that claimed that it would be way better than alternatives because of unique Google infrastructure advantages and resources... but didn't deliver on those claims. Hype instead of actual product abilities.

Then when the hype didn't win the market in the first year, they didn't have the stamina to keep going like Microsoft did with the Xbox.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by pwinnski »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #179
noah_buddy wrote: post #153

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You have touched on something I am incredibly excited about. ChatGPT is going to do away with a lot of the intro level questions you ask researching certain sorts of technical problems, especially as it becomes better able to understand images. ChatGPT removes the need for you to ever open a manual (unless you want a deep understanding). How do I turn off this feature in my car? How do I replace the fan in my fridge’…

> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand As long as they're not hallucinated media...

I think that the concern about LLMs making up information are absolutely valid, and a serious concern. At the same time, I think most people focusing on those concerns aren't thinking much about the alternatives, namely Google.

For many people, Google results have gone from being an absolutely amazing demonstration of what could be done if one had the resources to crawl and process the entire internet to a complete waste of time at best, clogged with spam and nonsense and misinformation. I've been using Duck Duck Go for years now, and recently my middle-schooler switched to Duck Duck Go because I got answer to a question she had already asked Google before checking with me. Some people even pay for Kagi search, because Google is just that bad.

So LLMs don't have to be perfect to be better than the alternatives, not even close.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by RigelKentaurus »

kansface wrote: post #310
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

It’s a classic innovator’s dilemma no matter how successful they are at building stuff - there is no way Google will launch a product that eats 40% of their own lunch.

Great point. Another one is 'judo economics', where a smaller, nimble competitor can dominate a new market quickly as it doesn't have the baggage of existing products and users.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by varispeed »

I looked at my history and I'd say that my Google searches gone down by 90% in the last week.

I actually don't feel I have any need to use Google anymore. When I look for something - like a news or a website, I mostly get spam, so I use other search engines. For knowledge I use ChatGPT and if I think something isn't right in the reply I use a search engine to compare.

I think this is the end for Google.

What is interesting to me is that I've been thinking for years how Google is going to replaced, but never though it will be something like ChatGPT and that it will happen so rapidly.

I am very very impressed.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by phillipcarter »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

Microsoft doesn't do consumer apps. On the business side, being the source of most professional software engineering through a variety of project launches over the past decade certainly counts.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by NovaDudely »

antondd wrote: post #192
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Time to layoff 50,000 employees and announce another stock buy back to prop up the share price for <24 hours

I see you are looking to apply for the CEO position...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by pwinnski »

jacamera wrote: post #182
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

The most illuminating thing about ChatGPT for me is just how terrible most programmers on HN apparently are. I thought it was just a funny meme that all we do is copy/paste from Stack Overflow but apparently that is literally what a lot of people are doing all day.

It's sad how most programmers are so terrible they need IDEs to automatically create stubs for required methods or getters and setters. They should have to type all of that out every time, and from memory, too! VIM with no plugins is the only way to do it!

Or, you know, smart developers use tools appropriate to the work, and some of us have figured out how to use this new tool before you have. That's okay, you can catch up!

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by heisenbit »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Outmaneuvered? They crammed ads into every possible space and the content out. Amazon take note!

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by moffkalast »

ambicapter wrote: post #120
lumb63 wrote: post #75

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I agree with your sentiment exactly. But your comment made me think about this an interesting way that I hadn’t thought about before, that made me better understand why I am “anti-GPT search”. All the same things that the model makes an effort to “understand” are things that can contribute to your own understanding. When it “understands”, you do not. You get the summary and miss out on a great amount of nuance that c…

A great quote from an article I read on HN recently > Suppose I was an evil person and wanted to eliminate the curiosity of children. Give the kid a diet of Google, and pretty soon the child learns that every question he has is answered instantly. The coolest thing about being human is to learn, but you don’t learn things by looking it up; you learn by figuring it out.

As opposed to the thing we did before, which is when kids asked something they were told something that's wrong and told to "stop talking back" and "go to your room". I think this is still an improvement.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by kif »

dmix wrote: post #338
myko wrote: post #283

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The response speed of Bard is much better in my experimentation. The creativity of the output on Bard is lacking, though.

That's good to hear. I was concerned it might just be a hard limitation in the early days, tech wise. Can Bard output quality code like GPT? I'm in Canada so couldn't use Bard sadly.

If you ask it to "write code to do X", then it will say that it can't write code. I think this was hardcoded.

But I asked Bard: "Can you implement fibonacci in Go", and it outputted valid code. And then I asked it "what if I wanted to avoid recursion", to which it replied with valid Go code that used a for loop. But it also suggested me another very bogus way of doing it, by using a "function pointer", which was very bad. F(x) would output x.

So, don't expect ChatGPT level of quality just yet, but I think it will get there pretty fast.

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