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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Google trends shows a different picture: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2... Close to no change Who to trust?

You are looking at a 1 day timeframe, you can very clearly see the increase if you look at 90 days: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=... (included just "Bing" as term too)

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

I think OpenAI just executed with perfection, also their focus on AI was a big competitive advantage vs Google who have 50 different things

> Google who have 50 different things

their bread and butter is search ads, which means they should have second-to-none search quality. but they don't. google knows more about me than my wife, yet fails to give me even remotely relevant ads except for things i have already searched for and usually already purchased or decided against. it's truly remarkable how terrible it is, and has been for decades.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Bing's homepage is full of ads and sponsored content aka news. They have rewards in the top bar. Chat only works on Edge. I just directly use ChatGPT instead of going to Bing.

I will continue to use the cleaner look of Google, even if they are a year late to the party.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

A small local business's profile account got marketing mail from Google encouraging the business to sign up to try Bard. I've never seen Google mass mail to business profiles outside of the time they tried to get everyone to join their astroturfed anti-regulation group to complain about antitrust law.

It's so shockingly rare for them to use mass mail to advertise a new product, especially one that's in such an early stage, that it seems incredibly desperate to sell the narrative "We can AI too".

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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No, but there are other search engines that aren't any worse than Google. And, apparently depending on the style of your search terms or what you're searching for, one or two are better. I get noticeably better results from DDG, but I know that a lot of other people don't. I can only speculate that the difference must be search terms or topics.

I made DDG my default and was surprised by how well it works how. I do believe it sources many of it's results from Bing. For what it fails to find well I just prepend !g to my query and have it bounce me over to Google. Google results are more often then not trash now, so I don't think the bar is too high for competitors now.

> I do believe it sources many of it's results from Bing.

It does, yes, but not only Bing. At least report, it aggregates from about 400 different sources, and they also run their own crawler.

They used to have a list of the other engines they use, but I can't seem to find it anymore.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

> They need to monetize it,

What's wrong with the current approach of just selling access?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Was surprised developing AGI wasn’t one of their moonshots based on their own AI expertise

How do you sell ads on an AGI product? Since they made their original mission ("to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful") subservient to their ads business, they didn't have an incentive to build it. It's the old innovator's dilemma. AI makes their business model obsolete, so they couldn't imagine how to build it.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I wouldn't doubt google's ability to pull this out in the long run, but they seem to need some caffeine in order to wake up to the reality of current competition.

Their cloud is not top dog. Their search is losing ground.

I guess they have youtube, android, and gsuite.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

The most illuminating thing about ChatGPT for me is just how terrible most programmers on HN apparently are. I thought it was just a funny meme that all we do is copy/paste from Stack Overflow but apparently that is literally what a lot of people are doing all day.

People who blindly copy from ChatGPT or Stack Overflow are most likely either very inexperienced or simply bad programmers. However, from where I see it, ChatGPT, Copilot, and any other such tools are fantastic at prompting you to think differently, getting you past writer's block, giving you ideas, or saving you some time googling for syntax yet again. You need a nudge to trigger recall of what you already know. It's a fantastic tool, just like an IDE.
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