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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #262
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

>Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. Have they thought about introducing more leetcode questions? /s

I don't think that's one area in which the two companies differ

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

eddieroger wrote: post #4

That's cool in the short term, but it will be news when it's sustained. I logged in to Bing for the first time in forever to play with the AI some, but it didn't change my default search behavior of using Google, and now it's been easily two weeks since I went to Bing at all.

> it will be news when it's sustained

The weakness is revealed. Google’s stickiness now has a quantifiable wedge factor. Whether it goes to Microsoft or someone else is more a matter of time.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by antipaul »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right?

https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/

Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given

Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by iLoveOncall »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #145

Google trends shows a different picture: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2... Close to no change Who to trust?

You are looking at a 1 day timeframe, you can very clearly see the increase if you look at 90 days: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=... (included just "Bing" as term too)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by yongjik »

rcme wrote: post #119
ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with SEO. All those developer-focused blogs serve Google ads, while the official Go documentation does not. Google is trying to boost revenue by promoting results with ads.

I still find it hard to believe. I've been at Google until 2015, which was a long time ago, but at that time the separation between Search and Ads was considered near sacred. Ads representatives couldn't even ask "Hey, my customer asked why their site is below this other irrelevant site for this query, this seems like a bug in search ranking..."

Pretty much everybody understood that we will lose in the long term, if we let ad revenue even be a consideration in search ranking. (...which makes today's bad search experiences even more puzzling.)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ipaddr »

rcme wrote: post #119
ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with SEO. All those developer-focused blogs serve Google ads, while the official Go documentation does not. Google is trying to boost revenue by promoting results with ads.

Developer focused blogs rarely show google ads. Upsells to saas like fly.io are more common

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bobsil1 wrote: post #269
faeriechangling wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

Has no CS background, studied material sci → consulting → Google PM https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai

> no CS background

Now do Tim Cook.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nicce »

taf2 wrote: post #198

I believe Google is going to see a major hit and the thing is they can't do anything to stop it. They have an incentive to keep search traffic high and unfortunately for them GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster with less ads then Google. It's similar to how Google disrupted other search engines in the late 90s. I'm thinking about how I craft my prompt to get the right answer, similar to how I used to think a…

> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster

The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.

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