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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by gonehome »

mattferderer wrote: post #478
gonehome wrote: post #58

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Microsoft is a so well positioned on this I think Silicon Valley has forgotten what it looks like when they don’t have a horrible CEO. When Microsoft executes well, they’re a scary force. They were exceptional under Gates and it looks like they are again. There’s a massive paradigm shift we’re just at the beginning of and Microsoft has been putting pieces in place for the last couple of years. Nadella has really turn…

Not saying Ballmer was great or bad but it could be argued that the US Government handicapped Microsoft more than Ballmer was a bad CEO. To my understanding Gates was also very active with the company during those years as well. Ballmer inherited a company at the top with everyone wanting to crush it & make it dissolve. Nadella inherited an underdog. I think this should be considered when thinking about the legacy of…

I don't buy these excuses for Ballmer.

- Massive miss on mobile

- Delayed cloud stuff because of obsession with windows

- Delayed cross platform apps because of obsession with windows for same reason

https://stratechery.com/2018/the-end-of-windows/

> "That memo prompted me to write a post entitled Services, Not Devices that argued that Ballmer’s strategic priorities were exactly backwards: Microsoft’s services should be businesses in their own right, not Windows’ differentiators. Ballmer, though, followed-through on his memo by buying Nokia; it speaks to Microsoft’s dysfunction that he was allowed to spend billions on a deal that allegedly played a large role in his ouster."

I think he ultimately held them back actively with bad strategy and things only started getting better when he was finally gone. Nadella inherited an underdog because the previous decade's decisions caused them to become one.

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Post by kiviuq »

layer8 wrote: post #479
hu3 wrote: post #130

Scary. For the first time in my life, I feel like my expertise is at risk of being rendered obsolete. Maybe not this year, but the writing is on the wall. Soon coding without an AI will feel as antiquated as delivering food by horse. And resistance is futile because markets will punish those who refuse. We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. And…

Maybe you need to get yourself into an application domain with more bespoke protocols and tooling, and domain-specific expertise, that aren’t public on the internet and that AI therefore doesn’t have much of an idea of. At least at this point, AI is only of little help in my daily work, unfortunately, because I’d have to first explain it orders of magnitude more context than fits into its token buffer.

Porn?

(scnr)

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by WaxProlix »

nirav72 wrote: post #475
paxys wrote: post #407

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We forgot very quickly that there was an entire generation of developers who paid $1000-2000 or more for an MSDN subscription just as the base cost for doing business. This is what Microsoft does.

Did individual developers actually pay that? I’ve done quite a bit of development in the MS ecosystem and can’t recall anyone personally paying for MSDN. It was always through their employer that they got access.

Consultants and freelancers for sure did - though again that's technically a business expense.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by DeathArrow »

pxoe wrote: post #202
bredren wrote: post #129

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If it were not for the impending headset, Apple would look a wee bit caught out as well. I suspect once Apple turns toward gen ai, all of its other advantages (infra, hw, instal base, services, etc) will propel it to forefront.

a headset is not a suit of AI products. it's kinda...irrelevant. meta has a headset, and that's working out great for them, isn't it. so far, there's nothing. there's only vague rumors, or not even - just assumptions that "surely apple will do something about this", "they'll turn to ai eventually". well, they have siri. which doesn't exactly inspire hope for much.

> meta has a headset, and that's working out great for them, isn't it.

A previous VR wave failed in the '90s. If this one fails, too, we' ll see another in 20 years.

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Post by adambard »

SergeAx wrote: post #474
adambard wrote: post #436

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Copilot user here. Copilot (the existing gpt-3 one) definitely helps at writing unit tests. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't nail it, but one thing it can do reliably is to repeat a pattern, and I don't know about you, but my unit tests tend to repeat the same pattern (with some tweaks to test this-or-that-case). Quite often it infers the correct change from the name I gave the test method, but even if it doesn't it'll wri…

I have a "Generate... -> Test for function" in my JetBrais IDE out of the box for several years, and it takes care of boilerplate pretty well.

That just generated an empty test function in a convenient place for me. I'm not just talking about boilerplate, it's definitely a more... organic-feeling sort of pattern matching. In fact, one of the things I find most interesting about it is the sort of mistakes it makes, like generating wrong field names (as if it simply took a guess). This is the sort of thing that I've grown to expect the deterministic tooling of IDEs to get right, so it always surprises me a bit.

By the same token, often it takes a stab at generating code based on something's name (plus whatever context it's looking at) and does a better job than the IDE could, because the IDE just sees datatypes and code structure. It really does feel like a complementary tool.

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Post by berniedurfee »

pastor_bob wrote: post #393
gzer0 wrote: post #169

There are 5 different sign-up waiting lists. Each one needs to be signed-up for separately. [1] Copilot X: https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/ [2] Copilot Voice: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-voice/ [3] Copilot Docs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-docs/ [4] Copilot for PRs: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-for-pull-requests/ [5] Copilot CLI: https://githubnext.com/pro…

$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

I feel like this is one of those eras where I will, yet again, not invest early and will, yet again, not make stupid money on the other end.

Cheers to those who know where to put their dollars to ride this AI bubble to early retirement!

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by DeathArrow »

newaccount2023 wrote: post #189
bredren wrote: post #129

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If it were not for the impending headset, Apple would look a wee bit caught out as well. I suspect once Apple turns toward gen ai, all of its other advantages (infra, hw, instal base, services, etc) will propel it to forefront.

for now, Apple is in a different league if Tim Cook wants $10 bln in new profits, he can simply pass some arbitrary judgement like "the next iPhone will only be compatible with new AirPods we will introduce at the same time" and everyone will comply

And that's why I don't use their products.

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Post by pantulis »

chatmasta wrote: post #439
nixarn wrote: post #371

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Have you tried co-pilot? I don't want to code without it. Saves so much time and produces good results, instead of searching for answers online, which isn't easy as you get into ad filled sites, find shitty Stack Overflow answers and webpages with outdated docs and examples. Two examples from this week. Formatting dates in javascript, I had a datetime string and I wanted to show it as YY-MM-DD HH:MM for our internal…

> Have you tried co-pilot? I wanted to try co-pilot, but noped out when I saw it required a subscription. I thought it was in some kind of beta and would still be free. Is there a way to try it without signing up for a subscription? My general worry is about becoming personally dependent on a paid tool just to do basic programming work.

Your worry is going to become obsolete pronto, just like you are not worried about depending on a paid CPU to perform basic computations. The meaning of "basic programming work" will be redefined by these tools.

The entry barrier of the subscription is a shame, that's for sure. But before open models are avilable, the field is proprietary today: we are going to witness a battle of AIs that will be as bloody as the Unix Wars of lore.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by quijoteuniv »

withinboredom wrote: post #338
quijoteuniv wrote: post #278

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Masterstroke is that they are including Linux, in WSL also in windows server. They are 1 step away from being a Linux distribution that runs legacy windows software within containers :D

If only they could get ipv6 working in WSL so that shenanigans[1] aren't required. [1]: https://github.com/withinboredom/ipv6-wsl

Shenanigans?! Do not get me started, i have for a year remember to close any WSL session before put pc to sleep, command line or VSC because on waking VMEM process will eat up the CPU. So had to restart or do a weird workaround, but Linux session was gone anyway. There is a github case 2-3 years old

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Post by DeathArrow »

dathinab wrote: post #398
neom wrote: post #262

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Spot on. Microsoft are a joke when they're losing and a joke when they're winning. I'm old enough to have seen the full circle and I'm super curious to see what happens when M$ is back on top.

- lock down of PC software to the Microsoft app store, probably roughly at the same time apple also tightens a lock down on macOS - more anti competitive steps to make installing desktop Linux on consumer hardware hard while arguing you could just use WSL and it's "for your security" and they are not anti Linux because they embrace Linux on servers - trying to kill Valve, there should only be Windows games and only t…

Do you honestly think that Microsoft is scared of Linux taking over the desktop?
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