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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by coldpie »

nsgi wrote: post #413
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #393

Both buttons and touchscreens have a place in a car... especially ergonomic buttons in just the right place and a well made touchscreen gui. All the things that the driver might ever do during driving (blinkers, lights, radio, ac,...) should always be controlled by a physical button, that is easy to find by touch only, even in the dark. On the other hand, reseting TPMS (air pressure system) sensors, looking at servic…

Auto-playing ads on car touchscreens? Is that really a thing?! I drive pretty old used cars so I don't know what newer ones are like

Imagine everything you hate about modern tech -- touchscreens, bluetooth, loading bars, slow & buggy web-based interfaces, ads, unbelievably stupid "smart" features -- but now you have to use them while traveling 70 MPH in a 6,000 lb steel battle tank next to hundreds of other humans doing the same.

Car reviewers can't get enough of this shit for some reason. I don't think I'll ever buy a car made after ~2012.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by drtz »

bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

This actually looks like a really practical design to me.

Maybe I've been driving the wrong cars, but I don't expect to be able to feel around blindly to find the right button to press (although, to be honest, that does seem like it'd be doable with this Kona design). I do expect, however, to be able to glance at the button panel and quickly get a fix on the button location so that I can look back at the road while my fingers to the rest. This design would certainly enable the latter.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by coldpie »

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

Just use the aux jack, dude. You don't have to put up with this.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

>tech-ridden abomination. Ok I'll bite, what was this abomination? Did it require logging into an app to start?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by eldaisfish »

HPsquared wrote: post #375
pleb_nz wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A voice command takes longer to execute than a press or flick of a finger IMO. It would be interesting to see what the cognitive loads are between a physical movement and a set of voice commands. I remember reading a study that found talking to another person in the vehicle was the equivalent to having had a certain amount of alcohol. I'm sure there's a difference between voice.commands and conversation, but interest…

Voice commands are good because you can keep both your eyes and hands on the task of driving without interruption. Having an actual conversation with someone is much more distracting because you need to listen to them, preserve social norms, etc.

Voice commands are terrible in general if:

- You do not have a generic north american english accent

- Are not speaking English and standard english.

- Have any sort of speech impediment

- Can’t remember what something is called or a specific command

- Want immediate feedback

Oh and they have a tendency to fail at random.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by nottorp »

pif wrote: post #23
bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

No, you are missing the point! With a row of buttons, you can count and you do not need visual attention. With a screen, instead, you must look even to understand whether you are on a clickable object at all!

> With a row of buttons, you can count and you do not need visual attention.

Exactly. Drive that car every day and you won't even need to count after a while. And even if you do you count by feel, no need to look.

Anecdote: I drove a friend's Tesla. I couldn't figure out how to adjust the a/c *.

* I mean, I could have probably done it with the manual and 10 min. But in less "advanced" cars you just turn the damn knob.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by nottorp »

tiedieconderoga wrote: post #156
bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

Core functions like HVAC and hazard lights deserve dedicated controls, but modern cars also need a type of input that can be used with a tablet-sized display. What to do? *Rotary Encoders* The best type of input for a car is a rotary encoder, a knob with tactile "clicks" that register as you turn it. Good ones can also be pressed down like a button, and moved in cardinal directions like a d-pad. Have one for your vol…

> Have one for the main controls: twisting moves the cursor, swiping changes which app is selected.

And... take your eyes off the road to see where the cursor is?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by nottorp »

lmm wrote: post #155
mulletbum wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 37 and have felt for these raised markers precisely zero times.

Have you ever tried typing on a keyboard without them? They're one of those things that you don't notice consciously but is actually really important.

Not sure I'm using them even unconsciously. Because every time (admittedly not often) that I get a new keyboard I type shifted (as in djogyrd instead of shifted) for a while.

If i'd be using those raised markers I wouldn't take so much time to adapt I think?

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Post by selimthegrim »

davchana wrote: post #267
colordrops wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an owner it works great. Windshield wipers have a sensor for automatic control, and if you want to manually adjust, voice recognition is highly accurate these days. I switch between my Prius and Tesla all the time as my wife shares the vehicles, and I much prefer the Tesla controls. But I'll get off of your lawn if you'd like.

I don't own Tesla, I have a strong Punjabi Accent when i speak English. Many bigger companies phone trees based on voice "commands" are useless for me. It never understands me. My Ford Sync voice controls too struggle to understand me. I prefer buttons.

Like Zail Singh with Reagan, you will just have to teach it Punjabi :)

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by ryukafalz »

svachalek wrote: post #46
ryukafalz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not identical: they typically have raised markers on two of the home row keys precisely to help with orientation. And, well, your hands are already positioned over them much of the time, so relative identification is much easier. Not so with these buttons.

These are in 4 different blocks with only 4 each, I don't think this is terribly hard without looking. And it's not like these are functions like windshield wipers that would typically go somewhere else. Looks more or less like typical buttons to me.

The bottom two blocks are fine, I agree, because they're laid out in two dimensional so if you feel around for the corners and identify the buttons that way.

The top set of buttons arranged in a line are much worse. They're two sets of 4 in a sense, but they're nearly undifferentiated from the hazard lights button, so in reality it's one long strip. I strongly suspect that people will take their eyes off the road to look at those buttons more often than not.

(Yes they're media controls, but let's be honest: people will use them to skip tracks while driving.)

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