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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by maztaim »

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

I can’t speak for their EV line, but no media is talking about how crappy their engines are. I won’t touch a KIA or Hyundai and I have zero qualms speaking up about it. My brother and I both needed new engines after 50,000 miles with normal wear and maintenance. If you read up on oil consumption you will discover they have had problem’s continually since 2014. Last I checked the 2021 +models are still affected. Getting the engine replaced is getting harder as they can’t keep up with engine demand. It’s a 4000 mile set of tests and BS. KEEP ALL YOUR SERVICE RECORDS and keep your maintenance schedule, or you will be paying anywhere from $16,000 USD to fix it on your own dime.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by pif »

bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

No, you are missing the point!

With a row of buttons, you can count and you do not need visual attention.

With a screen, instead, you must look even to understand whether you are on a clickable object at all!

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by NoPicklez »

bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

I dare say the thought process is that, does it really matter over and above how they have already designed it?

If you spend enough time in your own car you will get pretty darn good at finding your buttons with the smallest of glances. I don't think car designers really see the benefit, when they're constantly changing their dashboard designs.

Touchscreen however is a no go.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by ryukafalz »

jonathankoren wrote: post #19
bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

I’m pretty sure you regularly use a piece of plastic with 104 near identical buttons without looking at any of them.

Not identical: they typically have raised markers on two of the home row keys precisely to help with orientation. And, well, your hands are already positioned over them much of the time, so relative identification is much easier. Not so with these buttons.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by wilg »

mataug wrote: post #11

That's wonderful, I hope other car makers realize how distracting and dangerous touch controls are for a driver's ability to focus on driving. My car has physical controls for most things, and I use CarPlay for music/podcasts and navigation, and even for that purpose it's extremely distracting to use it while driving when compared to the physical interfaces for A/C, seat heaters, mirror adjustment etc. I generally av…

Hardly fair to compare navigation and selecting music to adjusting temperature and seat heaters. Very different tasks with very different requirements for looking at them.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by calvinmorrison »

themitigating wrote: post #13

I have a 2022 VW Golf GTI. It has no buttons for the climate control and haptic buttons for the steering wheel controls. I think there's some assumptions the designers might have made about how people would use the system: The first is how HVAC systems work in a house, old cars, and new cars. - Home window and central ACs (at least all the ones I've seen) can't adjust the temperate of the air that comes out, it's tie…

So I daily drive a 1988 saab 900, with very nice haptic controls. My engine blew up at the end of february. In the last 4 weeks I have been driving my wife's car, a 1990 Saab 9000. Automatic Climate Control is great. Last week I got the 900 back up and running and it's such a stunning difference between a car that was engineered originally in the 70's and one that was 'new' in the late 80s.

In my 900 there's basically 2 heat settings, ICE COLD and FIREY. It's best controlled by adjusting the return air flap / fan speed or cracking the windows. It's never right, it's always fiddly. I don't like it, except on very cold days it has no problem.

I notice that the 9000 I spend much less time fiddling with buttons, but when I do... it takes me longer. On my 900, I don't even think about it, like when you drive stick shift, you just shift, no mental thought. You think it and do it in one motion, like using vim hotkeys.

So - now I will be back to driving my 900 this week after I finish buttoning up the interior pieces, and I don't know if I like it more or less.

not sure why I typed this, I like saab.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by gnicholas »

mataug wrote: post #12
gnicholas wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have multiple mics to triangulate on the driver's voice? What you describe does sound annoying!

I don't have a high-end luxury car, I've only used Android Auto / Apple CarPlay through the car's microphone system. Even if we assume a sophisticated system that can triangulate your voice, trying to talk to the car while driving, and having other passengers talking seems like a recipe for distraction.

Perhaps! I was imagining that it would work at least as well as a HomePod, which can pick up very quiet talking even when music is playing. Since the car knows where your head is located, I assumed that it would perform even better. I don't have a problem talking while there are others in the car — I often have kids in the car and use an AirPod to ask Siri to send text messages. I find it to be less distracting than reaching for knobs (and I've driven knobby cars since the 90s, so am well-practiced at that). I find steering-wheel controls to be the best, but anything that makes me reach into the center stack is less preferable (compared to voice interface) for me.
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